newbie questiones about hunting rifles & target rifles

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Im planing to buy my first rifle soon.never fired one before. Some thing I just cant figure out. I tried ask around or google it and wikipedia, still dont get it.

here are my questiones:
what are the differences between hunting and target rifles?
what is "heavy barrel" for?
Can I use a target rifle for hunting?


Thanks for your time.
 
There are many target shooting disciplines just as there are many hunting disciplines. The target rifle tends to be heavy. The stock is usually physically larger, with a wide flat bearing surface under the forend, it can be fitted with butt plate which is adjustable for length, height, and cant, as well as a cheek piece which is adjustable for height. The target rifle is made for precision shooting, and is often used in a way that to the extent possible the human component is removed from the problem. So these rifles are made to be shot from rests or from certain positions.

Target rifle triggers are often very light, as light as 2 ounces. To understand how light a two ounce trigger is, if you can feel the trigger under the pad of your finger, the rifle has already fired. These triggers have no practical application away from the range.

Target rifle barrels tend to be large diameter. This serves two purposes, one is that it takes longer for the barrel to heat up, so a long string of shots can be expected to hit the target without the barrel expanding from heat, pressing against the stock, and throwing a shot wide. The second purpose is to provide stiffness. A barrel vibrates when fired, and where the barrel points when the bullet exits determines where the bullet will hit. The stiffer the barrel, the less it is effected by vibration

If the target rifle is scope sighted, the scope will be large and the magnification will be high. Chances are you can see little in the scope other than the target. If the sights are metallic, they will probably have an receiver mounted rear sight with a very small aperture in a large disk and a globe front sight, which is simply a circle that is somewhat larger than the bullseye of your target.

Essentially the target rifle is a very heavy, very large, very precise, but delicate instrument that would have no place in the field.

The big game hunting rifle must be light enough that it is easily carried in the field under difficult conditions. The most important shot is the first shot out of the barrel, and if subsequent shots strike the target an inch or two from the intended point of impact it makes little difference. Modern rifles are very accurate, probably 3 or 4 times more accurate than the average rifleman can make use of.

The hunting rifle stock has minimum dimensions, the barrels tend to be a light contour, and the scopes tend to be small and low powered so that you can see a wide field of view. When metallic sights are mounted they are either some sort of V notch sight mounted mid way along the barrel with a bead or post front sight. A reciever sight will have a thin rim and large aperture, which is opposite of the target rifle's receiver sight. The trigger is best when it breaks cleanly at 3 pounds with no creep or over travel. A two stage trigger that has take up is perfectly acceptable, if at the end of the take up it breaks like a single stage trigger. You may of heard it referred to as "like breaking a glass rod."

Obviously hunting deer in thick cover, hunting antelope in wide open country, hunting mountain sheep, or hunting dangerous game presents different problems to the hunter. Some rifles can do a number of jobs pretty well, and these rifles have their fans, while other folks want a specialized rifle for each specific application. Even so, it is pretty easy to look at a rifle and know if it is a hunting rifle or a target rifle.

The varmint rifle is a cross between the hunting rifle and the target rifle. Military or police sniper rifles and long range big game rifles also fall into this class. This is the extent to which some of the characteristics of the target rifle can be applied to field use. The scopes are larger and of higher magnification, the barrels are heavier than a hunting rifle barrel, yet they have some tapper unlike a true target rifle barrel, and the trigger that is suitable on the big game rifle is also suitable for the varmint rifle. While heavier than the hunting rifle, these rifles are much lighter than true target rifles, and are commonly 12-15 pounds. This compares to 5-12 pounds for the hunting rifle and there is no limit to the weight of a target rifle in the unlimited class.

You asked if a target rifle could be used for hunting. The short answer is yes, but it would be no more appropriate to use the target rifle in the field than it would be to use a hunting rifle in competition that requires precision shooting.
 
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*Boomer, you beat me to it* :D

Well you can have standard hunting rifle, dedicated target rifles and you can go in between. Standard hunting rifles generally have lighter contour barrels. If your going to be carrying a rifle all day, you don't want too much weight. In most instances, you can get hunting rifles in very powerful cartridges capable of handling all of the worlds most dangerous species, or very light cartridges for the smallest game. The powerful rifles develop tremendous recoil, and the little guns develop hardly any by comparison.

Target rifles can come in darn near any cartridge you want, but your probably not going to find many elephant rifles at any matches your likely to attend. Generally each rifle itself is speciallized for a particular style of shooting. Some have wide forestocks for resting on bagged rests, some have special grips and stocks for firing offhand, and some look like they belong in a star wars movie.

If you go in between, you can buy yourself heavy barreled rifles that many call "Varmint" or "Tactical" rifles. It really depends on who's buying the rifle to call it whichever they want. They look so much alike that most can be called either, with a few exceptions. With these rifles, (And I'm just going to assume this is what your thinking of) you'll usually find heavy barrels with somewhat beefier or more speciallized stocks. The heavy barrel does a few things, but again it depends who you ask. First, the added weight will help to absorb recoil allowing you to stay on target easier. It also helps hold the rifle steadier, and soaks up heat from firing better than a light barrel. It's also more rigid. As you fire a bullet, and it travels down the bore, the barrel actually oscilates in a circle as the bullet spins with the rifling. As long as the barrel stops in the same spot each time the bullet leaves the barrel, there's no problem. Acuaracy will be repeatable. If it doesn't, you'll have troubles. Heavy barrels flex less, and that will keep the oscilations under control.

While you certainly could hunt with a dedicated target rifle, most wouldn't want to. And in my opinion, unless you don't have to walk too far, you probably don't want to hunt with a heavy barreled rifle, either. It may not feel like much in the Morning, but after carrying a rifle all day, walking uphill both ways and through ten feet of snow, at the end of the day that rifle will feel like a refridgerator. Good luck with your purchase.
 
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There some compromises in life that will work. But trying to target shoot with a huinting rifle or vice versa is not one of them.

The exception is that a varmint rifle could be used to shoot the precision (sniper) kind of matches, sicen both involve shooting prone off a bipod.

A 243 or 260 would do this just fine.
 
"...never fired one before..." Start with a .22 LR. The shooting principles are the same and it won't cost you a ton of money to learn how to shoot.
 
What?!

An intelligent question responded to with honest and clearly grass roots answeres....First class gentlemen!
People sharing information, experience, and honest opinions....Stuff like this is what brought me here in the first place.
Well Done! :)

ImtheNut,
Knowing both what and were you intend to shoot will help us help you.
I am fortunate enough to own quite a few hunting and target rifles so I tend to tailer my rifle choice to the terrain and game of the day. My goat/sheep hunting rifle for instance is actually a bit of a hybrid hunting/tactical rifle. It is a very accurate hunting platform with a 2-10X tactical scope (adjustable clicks).

Other than this oddity the reality is that 97% of hunting shots can easily be handled by an average hunting rifle, with an average caliber, with an average hunting scope mounted on top.
A well practiced shooter will always make the difference....Not the rifle.
 
Now you tell us the details behind your question. Are you going to hunt? What game animals are you going to hunt? How many days a year will you hunt as opposed to days spent at the range shooting? How many days a year will you go just to the range? How much shooting will you do once you are there. What is the purpose of your range shooting. Just to blast stuff, and make a mess. Precision shooting where you are strictly trying to put 3, or 5, or 10 shots through the same hole. Will you shoot only from the bench? How about common 'field' shooting positions? Come on, spill it man.
 
Well, I have never fire one before, dont even know which rifle to go for now, how could I answer of all these questions. But one thing is for sure, Im going to kill some animals in the woods next year...hopefully.

I usually go shooting with my CZ once a week, tring to hit the target most of the time.

The reason I ask about "heavy barrel", becasue it looks really cool, stock looks pretty cool too. and also thats why I wonder if I can carry a target rifle for hunting or not.

Sorry for my ####ty reasons behind all questions, and very very thank you to every one who spent time answering my questions. really helpful and informed.

Now you tell us the details behind your question. Are you going to hunt? What game animals are you going to hunt? How many days a year will you hunt as opposed to days spent at the range shooting? How many days a year will you go just to the range? How much shooting will you do once you are there. What is the purpose of your range shooting. Just to blast stuff, and make a mess. Precision shooting where you are strictly trying to put 3, or 5, or 10 shots through the same hole. Will you shoot only from the bench? How about common 'field' shooting positions? Come on, spill it man.
 
If your already shooting, don't waste your time with a .22, get a magnum, the bigger the better! Most new shooters can jump in around the .358 Norma or .375 H+H range without a problem. If your really a "man's man" though, you should be thinking about one of the bigger Weatherby's.
















Yeah, I'm just fcukin' with you!
 
That was sweet, magnum. Ya you you should get a .22lr. And then you are going to shoot varmints, and will need more. Then comes deer season, and scopes, and ducks and skeet and trap, and then start reloading. Building a addition on the house to store the toys. I love it

Have fun.
 
ya no magnums start with a .22lr they are fun and you can shoot a ton as ammo is cheap. I would find a local range or maybe a local CGN member here could help you by letting you shoot some of their guns so you can get an idea of what your looking for. You do not want to go to big to fast or you may develop a flinch.

I say follow the path below \/

22lr->.223/.22-250->.243/.260->.300win mag

work your way up in size not only in guns but in what your hunting take the .22lr and get some small game your provincial hunting regulations will list whats in season to hunt. Once your a good shot with the .22lr from field positions and your cool with cleaning small game I would move on to larger prey.

Nows when the .223/.22-250 come in handy you can go out after varmints like coyotes, wolves, bagers, fishers....ect...this would be a good way to get hunting permission from local farmers as most of them dont mind you hunting yotes as long as your safe around their livestock. If you gain permission to hunt on farmers land make sure you bring them things like a fresh pie, or some grouse...offer to do some work around the farm....

Now deer season rolls around and is time to get a larger rifle a .243 would be the smallest deer caliber I would suggest and its not a heavy hitter so it wont beat you up but dont be afraid to look at .30cal guns either I use a .300win mag for deer sized game and larger. This is where a local gun nut could help you by letting you shoot some of their guns so you dont buy something that kicks the crap out of you with every shot.

Now you use those positive relationships with the farmers and you ask if they would mind you hunting deer...ect....some may say no as they hunt the land or others already have permission....but you may get a yes...now if you bag a deer make sure to offer the farmer his choice of cuts off the deer many people like the heart......

Oh and like beaverfur said be ready for the addiction its a snow ball effect you start small and your collection will grow and grow you may even start to reload which is a great hobby on its own.

just my 2cents good luck and let us know how it goes
 
Folks!!!!

I end up started with a .177 air rifle. Crossman Quest 1000X. Its pretty good, and I just put a hole on my door......

22LR will be my next rifle.
Thanks alot for all the help and information. I appreciate it.!!!!!!
 
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shooting a hole in your door is always a good entry into the sport.

now when you get a target rifle you can shoot holes in your door from 1000yards away.

I have fun with my pellet gun, originally got it to take care of some squirrels that had overstepped their bounds
 
shooting a hole in your door is always a good entry into the sport.

now when you get a target rifle you can shoot holes in your door from 1000yards away.

I have fun with my pellet gun, originally got it to take care of some squirrels that had overstepped their bounds

redlaker1, Thanks for the hint. :cool:
 
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