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Who would like to be 1 of the first to own 1 of the 4 Nightforce NXS 3.5x15x50 FFP scopes?
I have 1 comeing in MLR and 1 in Mildot, I am not sure what the other 2 are as they have been shipped to another dealer, sorry I don't know who.
Only 4 have been slated for shipment to Canada this year is what I was told, no clue as to when the next scopes may become available.
These scopes are spendy, just like the S&Bs are.
I won't have an exact price until monday when they land here, but expect them to be in the $2700.00 plus area.

I am trying to get an idea of how these long awaited scopes will be recieved so can order accordingly. Any feedback would be helpful.
 
To my knowledge, the 2nd focal plane equivalent of the NXS 3.5-15x50 retails for $1,565 plus GST; is my understanding correct then that the upgrade to FFP is therefore close to 1200$?

I know I'm coming off as being whiny, but I'm just surprised that the difference in price is that high, being an owner of an FFP scope myself (not NF).
 
redman said:
To my knowledge, the 2nd focal plane equivalent of the NXS 3.5-15x50 retails for $1,565 plus GST; is my understanding correct then that the upgrade to FFP is therefore close to 1200$?

I know I'm coming off as being whiny, but I'm just surprised that the difference in price is that high, being an owner of an FFP scope myself (not NF).
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Actually there is only about $1000.00 difference basing the pricing on the landed cost for both FFP and 2nd FP that were invoiced to me in the same shipment today.
But yes there IS a significant price difference between FFP and 2FP, exactly why eludes me, but this seems to be the trend judging by USO and S&Bs pricing on similar magnification scopes.
 
Rick, are they coming with zero stop and stuff like that. i know they great prices on SFP scopes ie $1,565 was due to our strong dollar, dollars in the toilet know so add a 20% increase. Then there is the whole FFP coolness factor. Not sure if its worth the dollars, but I will see when I come by, if they are still in the shop.
 
c4pyro said:
Rick, are they coming with zero stop and stuff like that. i know they great prices on SFP scopes ie $1,565 was due to our strong dollar, dollars in the toilet know so add a 20% increase. Then there is the whole FFP coolness factor. Not sure if its worth the dollars, but I will see when I come by, if they are still in the shop.
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No zero stops on these 1s
But it is an option.
 
carbonrod said:
Is this seriously a who is loved more by a vendor showdown?
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Not really... NF has NO loyalties... They would #### anyone of us if it suited them.

I'm sure ALL Cdn dealers got the same "we're only sending 4 scopes to Canada..." bla bla bla and we want you to be there first... buy more....

They make a great product, no question, but that's where the buck stops. Nice guys, but they are sales guys... need I say more?

JR
 
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TSE JR said:
Not really... NF has NO loyalties... They would f**k anyone of us if it suited them.

I'm sure ALL Cdn dealers got the same "we're only sending 4 scopes to Canada..." bla bla bla and we want you to be there first... buy more....

They make a great product, no question, but that's where the buck stops. Nice guys, but they are sales guys... need I say more?

JR
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I think you nailed that 1 right on!!
 
Glock4ever said:
How come NF pumped up their prices on the FFP so much? This is in the S&B Price range - doesn't make much sense in getting a NF at that point...
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I don't have an answer as to how either company justifies their costs, but all FFP scopes seem to be significantly more expensive than 2FP scopes are.
S&B and USO run virtually the same price for comparable scopes. NF is certainly in the same league quality wise as the other 2 makers, so logically they should be about the same $$.
If our dollar had not plummetted in value the NF scope, like the others would be less expensive. Of the 3 makers only USO is exempt from duties in Canada.
 
Sounds a bit bizarre as Leupold only adds about 1-200 dollar premium on their FFP versions. Not saying that NF is a bad optic but the jump is definitely a lot higher then I originally heard - 3-400 bucks or so was what everyone thought it would be...
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Of the 3 makers only USO is exempt from duties in Canada.
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Hey Rick,

Both of my NF scopes came from the US (on seperate occasions) and were clearly marked as to what they were and where they were from and no duty charge was incurred on either account.
Did I luck out and just didn't get charged duty on both of these?

I don't know if Camera Lenses/Spotting Scopes and Rifle Scopes are classed the same but I have also had a spotting scope (asian made) and Camera lenses (Canon - Japan) sent from the US with no duty as well. I knew that Camera lenses were not charged with duty, could it be that the other optics are classed the same?
 
If you want to understand the differences in these optics and why their prices increase so much do some research on camera lenses and high end astro-scopes. They are priced exactly the same way.

FFP optics involve a more complex interior movement system to move the optical elements in respect to the fixed focal plane objective, where 2ndFP optics use a focusing element that moves independently of the magnification elements to bring the optics into focus.....is that even close to being right? I kind of dug it out of deep, recessed, Astronomy 101.6 memories...hahaha ;)

If not, please correct me.

I found this as well.....more to the point of rifle optics...."The advantage of a FFP scope is that you can range at any magnification. Where as on a Second Focal Plan the reticle is calibrated to range at only one specific magnification." ***so the FFP elements that are traveling together allow the scope to use it's ranging features at any magnification because the 2nd focal plane is not present to muck up the ranging ticks at the various range differences. Magnification travels with the reticle? Same diff...it's a different and more complex interior movement system for the optical elements? Even though it sounds simpler? Maybe the carriage of the O.E. is harder to create en mass while still being as exacting? :)
 
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Hey Rick,

Both of my NF scopes came from the US (on seperate occasions) and were clearly marked as to what they were and where they were from and no duty charge was incurred on either account.
Did I luck out and just didn't get charged duty on both of these?

I don't know if Camera Lenses/Spotting Scopes and Rifle Scopes are classed the same but I have also had a spotting scope (asian made) and Camera lenses (Canon - Japan) sent from the US with no duty as well. I knew that Camera lenses were not charged with duty, could it be that the other optics are classed the same?
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So what you are saying in that on at least 2 occasions you have illegally imported rifle scopes, which require an export permit as per US Dept of State, and the shipper falsely declared that the scopes were 100% made in the US.
Having far too much to loose and being in a business that is constantly under a microscope by the various governments, I can not afford to not import things properly. This means being honest with CBSA and stating on the B3 import reconciliation that the NF scopes, except for the compact models are made in Japan, which incurrs a 5% duty on top of the 5% GST.

Just so you are aware CBSA does not play nice. Getting caught making a false declaration on the shippers end typically results in seizure of the goods, making a false statement on a B3 even if made innocently or with no intent, fines start at $1000.00.

Also for those who will claim I am acting as the "scope police" now, I don't care what others do, if you decide to try and circumvent the legal way of importing thing, that is up to you, I am simply explaining the rules and the consequences.
 
Guys, buy legally and avoid the problems. You can spend more time at the range instead of trying to find a loophole somewhere to save a few bucks.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
This means being honest with CBSA and stating on the B3 import reconciliation that the NF scopes, except for the compact models are made in Japan, which incurrs a 5% duty on top of the 5% GST.
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And this whole time I thought NFs were American-made! So I guess that leaves U.S. Optics as the only American high-end riflescope manufacturer...

Any luck getting those FFPs off your hands? ;)

Solar, trust me from personal experience that you can save way more than a couple of bucks; since I don't want this thread locked, I'll end it there!
 
redman said:
And this whole time I thought NFs were American-made! So I guess that leaves U.S. Optics as the only American high-end riflescope manufacturer...

Any luck getting those FFPs off your hands? ;)

Solar, trust me from personal experience that you can save way more than a couple of bucks; since I don't want this thread locked, I'll end it there!
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The major components are made in Japan, then assembled in Idaho for most of the product line.
All except the compacts have "made in Japan" marked on the scope tube.
Given the frequency of inspection by the CBSA on inbound shipments, I can not afford to fudge the B3s.

Have not sold a FFP yet.
 
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