No.5 Mk.I Lee Enfield Number Mystery

Drachenblut

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Hello all!

I have an interesting mystery. While cleaning my all matching (everything matches, including the magazine from what I can tell) "Jungle Carbine" I discovered some numbers on the buttstock. There are the digits, approximately a half inch in height, on the bottom left of the right side of the buttstock, above the sling loop. The number is stamped 132. HOWEVER! I looked at it and oiled the wood a tiny bit, and slowly, under darker shades of light, found a very old, nearly worn away yellow number, in block numbering, reading 152, they are worn, but as close as I can make out, the first number is 1 followed by 5 being the clearest, then a 2. However, under anything but the right light conditions, the 5 in the middle looks like a 3! this is due to an odd "7" shaped mark along the back of the straight part on the side of the "5", as if someone had goofed on the number on the bottom left, realised the mistake, and gently tried to use some sort of imprint not painted, but more like a weak dent in the wood, to "fake" the mistake.

What are these numbers!? Any clues? First, some history of the rifle:

-Made in November of 1944 by ROF Fazakerly. No import markings.
-All metal under the wood has green "tropical" pain, magazine is laquered black.
-When stripped, found "blood enzyme" in a couple spots, no pitting, just very light surface rust that wiped away with a little WD-40, where the metal had rubbed the wood and the paint had worn away. Also found chips of what looks like bone, and blood soaking underneath the rubber pad sides.
-Bought from the grandson relative of a British Soldier, who said this rifle served possibly with the Brits in the pacific, and certainly in Korea, then when grandfather retired/discharged, emigrated to Canada and the rifle was taken out shooting from time to time, but otherwise closeted. The barrel is mint, not a single pit, and mirror shiny. A small 1 in by 1/8th in sliver of wood was repaired on the very front extreme of the lower wood stock, the wood is different coloured and laquered to match closely, but not quite, obviously younger wood, but very well done.

Let me know what I have and if the story sounds true!

Yours,
Drachenblut

P.S. Here is a picture of the numbers! It actually came out somewhat!
http://s1013.photobucket.com/albums/af259/Drachenblutt/Lee%20Enfield%20Number%205%20Jungle%20Carbine/
 
A rack number? What exactly does this signify and why two of them? One looks circa WWII. Anything else anyone can tell me of my rifle?
It's serial number is C663* (it's a 4 number code but just covering the last digit)
Any more info on what I have?
 
Literally the number of its place in the storage rack. It was common in the British Army (and I suppose in some others) to have sub-units as small as companies, i.e. 100-200 personnel, have their own lock-up to store weapons and to facilitate the regular security checks and issuing and taking in weapons a three digit number would cover that many. If that rifle was at some point transferred to another unit they would probably change the rack number, or it could be as you thought that someone got it wrong when they first marked it and had to correct it.
 
Your in a barraks with your platoon and all the rifles are in a rifle rack.............

How do YOU tell which Enfield is YOURS in the middle of all these other Enfields?

Your Enfield has a number on it corresponding to its placement on the rifle rack with the other Enfield's

Your rifle has a “rack number” and DO NOT put it in the wrong spot on the rifle rack.

Now drop down and give me 50 push ups Pvt. Iforgotmyracknumber.

"This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.(rack number) It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless."
 
bigedp51,

Wonderful! Is there any way of tracking back who had that rifle, or even what company or regiment? I'm not sure, but I believe it was certainly in the Burma campaign with the Brits.

Then again, this was a good 60 or more years ago.
 
Not likely. Records would be scarce at best since regular purges of old records would have got rid of that. Not to mention unit transfers would mean several rifles may have had that rack number over time.
 
"...what company or regiment?..." Unit records were not kept for posterity.
The troopies, Brit or otherwise, were not allowed to keep their issue weapons or any other kit.
 
The rifle would not necessarily have been used by just one unit in its service life. In war a unit redeployed would move with at least a basic scale of equipment and weapons (small arms at a minimum.) But in peacetime, a unit changing station to another part of the world might leave the entire complement of weapons for the relieving unit. Either way, records of such detail as the serial mumbers of the rifles issued are unlikely to exist, and less likely to be traceable even if they are still mouldering in some forgotten archive.
 
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