No GOEX in 2023 ?

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If you're waiting anxiously for any hope of GOEX being back on the market in 2023, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

As you may recall, the company Estes Energetics announced on January 31, 2022 that they had officially purchased GOEX and would continue all aspects of their blackpowder production legacy. ESTES has informed GOEX Distributors that there will be no change in product distribution under new ownership. Timelines expect GOEX powder distribution to begin in 2023.

Sounded good at the time, then came Russia's 'Special Operations' into the Ukraine. That has created a huge market demand for the products that Estes Energetics makes.

Estes Energetics is a company that provides excellent service in the defense and industrial markets. By combining research, engineering, testing, and manufacturing capabilities with 60 years of experience producing solid-propellant rocket motors from their parent company Estes Industries, they deliver cutting-edge technologies for government agencies and commercial clients.

Estes Energetics’ advanced boron materials are of significant importance to U.S. government initiatives and programs, particularly in military munitions and civilian applications, due to their supply risks resulting from overseas concentration and the nation’s reliance on imports.

Thankfully, at least, powders from Europe (Swiss, Schuetzen) have been entering the US market and seem to appease the addiction in the meantime.

Hang in there !!
 
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Making black powder is illegal and dangerous.

Besides that your end product will be so poor quality it won't be worth the ingredients. Fizzle dust
 
Where is it stated you can't make your own BP? Personally I think only a moron would, but I don't think it's illegal?
 
Painkillers said:
Where is it stated you can't make your own BP? Personally I think only a moron would, but I don't think it's illegal?
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The instructions that came with the Estes model rocket kits warned us that trying to make your own fuel to refill engines was horribly crazy dangerous and would kill, maim, and/or burn anyone who tried and blow their parents house clear out of the neighbourhood, so we should only ever launch with safe efficient Estes model rocket engines.

Some commercial interest was detected.

I was one of those kids whose interest in a chemistry set began and ended with the word "exothermic" and yeah, results were rather variable and are but distant fun memories.
 
old303 said:
The instructions that came with the Estes model rocket kits warned us that trying to make your own fuel to refill engines was horribly crazy dangerous and would kill, maim, and/or burn anyone who tried and blow their parents house clear out of the neighbourhood, so we should only ever launch with safe efficient Estes model rocket engines.

Some commercial interest was detected.

I was one of those kids whose interest in a chemistry set began and ended with the word "exothermic" and yeah, results were rather variable and are but distant fun memories.
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Lol. I never said I wasn't a moron (either). :wave:
 
I made a model volcano in grade 8 (many moons ago) and used homemade black powder in it and set it off in the school parking lot in front of my class. I messsed with the mix a little to get a little slower POOF but there was a big fireball and a lot of smoke. Set it off with a small filed light bulb with some BP inside, a good length of wire and a 9v battery G: :rockOn:
 
dan belisle said:
I don't think either of those statements are true. Certainly making it is safe as long as you follow a safe procedure. - dan
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Well, obtaining saltpeter is very difficult, legally, for the average Joe Canada these days. Even 'stump remover' in its original form has been removed from the market. Sulfur will likely be the next thing banned for peeps without some kind of permit. Charcoal is easy enough to make and the least of the difficulties.
I can remember being able to buy small quantities of saltpeter and sulfur from the local drugstore when I was a kid. Tried making BP using that and briquettes as the charcoal source, a lot of years ago. Didn't work so well :)

Safe enough to do if you are careful and don't try to make large amounts at once, I'm sure.

Probably need a pyrotechnician's license to make it, legally, in Canada.
 
Ha...

used to make that stuff in high school 40 year ago. Charcoal into the rock tumbler, sulfur and salt peter from KMart pharmacy.......home made rockets down Maley Drive.....
 
Back when the earth was cooling Saltpetre could be bought at the local grocery. Some folks that migrated to the Interlake area of Manitoba from that little island in the North Atlantic, used it in preparing some specialty food for the festive season.
 
Intrepid said:
Well, obtaining saltpeter is very difficult, legally, for the average Joe Canada these days. Even 'stump remover' in its original form has been removed from the market. Sulfur will likely be the next thing banned for peeps without some kind of permit. Charcoal is easy enough to make and the least of the difficulties.
I can remember being able to buy small quantities of saltpeter and sulfur from the local drugstore when I was a kid. Tried making BP using that and briquettes as the charcoal source, a lot of years ago. Didn't work so well :)

Safe enough to do if you are careful and don't try to make large amounts at once, I'm sure.

Probably need a pyrotechnician's license to make it, legally, in Canada.
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Yeah in the 1970's it was pretty easy to get at the local drug store. It was on the shelf next to the sulfur :). After a while they started storing it behind the counter and asking questions about what I was using it for. That was the beginning of the end :)

Seems the bureaucrats are slowly taking the fun out of everything.

Chris.
 
MosinMan13 said:
So just to circle back on this, are and of the BP substitutes (Schuetzen, Swiss, Pyrodex) any good or comparable to GOEX? As an intermediate solution strictly?
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Schuetzen and Swiss are not substitutes, they are in fact actual black powder as is Goex. Now Pyrodex is a substitute. It is similar to BP in the three ingredients but it has a number of additional components in its makeup that of which are not in real BP.
 
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