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Canam's pretty much got it nailed - have yet to meet a gunsmith who will tolerate someone even quietly sitting in a corner and watching once a week. In ten years I've found one that showed me around and was willing to talk gunsmithing to the degree that I learned something. Another fellow isn't a fulltime gunsmith, but darn smart and he taught me more in an afternoon than everything else combined. Likely you're best off buying a lathe and teaching yourself as bad as it is to say, or move countries. I suspect if you fix and customize a stack of beaters you may be able to use them as a portfolio to persuade a smith to take you on, but most of them will be a fight.
Then again, gunsmithing in today's society will be a fight, so it'll get you prepared for it
Then again, gunsmithing in today's society will be a fight, so it'll get you prepared for it
CanAM - Thanks for your idea, however I thought UK is very strict on guns and they don't like guns, I just guess.
H Wally - Thank you, move to other countries are out of the pictures, but I will take your advice ,try to buy some junk to practice on, just take my time. I think it is a good career since there are so many gun owners in Canada, they need service of some type (even a simple cleaning, people are lazy, they just want to shoot their guns but not cleaning them), but not many gunsmiths around. I still have time, by the time I retire, I should have build up some knowledge that can serve some customer, certainly, the perfect way is to find someone who is willing to pass down the skill, knowledge of their trade to someone who is serious.
H Wally - Thank you, move to other countries are out of the pictures, but I will take your advice ,try to buy some junk to practice on, just take my time. I think it is a good career since there are so many gun owners in Canada, they need service of some type (even a simple cleaning, people are lazy, they just want to shoot their guns but not cleaning them), but not many gunsmiths around. I still have time, by the time I retire, I should have build up some knowledge that can serve some customer, certainly, the perfect way is to find someone who is willing to pass down the skill, knowledge of their trade to someone who is serious.
I should add that taking a machinist course will be beneficial. You'll need to have skills before ever touching other people's stuff, hence taking skill based courses where you get hands on experience as well as doing work on your own guns, where making mistakes won't end up with pissed off customers. There are part time evening courses as well as fulltime offered in the lower mainland.
Hi Warbird_2006, why so rude ? do people have the freedom to express themselves ? How about the people who collect the German Mauser k98, does that make them Nazis ? I really feel sorry for you. Lots of brain out there is better than no brain inside. Please don't write on this thread anymore, the general public already have a distort image about us (the gun community), we don't need more ignorant people here. You have a wonderful thanksgiving.
Hi H Wally, thanks again for your suggestions, I was thinking about that and tried to find course like that but no luck, the internet search always lead me to the BCIT diploma course which I can't afford both money and time, but I will keep looking. Also you are right about do work for others, right now I am just practicing my skill using my own guns. Practice makes perfect,right ?
Let's talk more. Have a very warm and lovely thanksgiving.
Let's talk more. Have a very warm and lovely thanksgiving.
First of all, you don't have a picture of German Mauser k98 in your avatar. And you for sure did not have a family member killed by a communist regime.
Marxist governments mass murdered about 95,200,000 of their own citizens between 1917 and 1990. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this century total 35,700,000. Your avatar has NOTHING to do with a gun community. Its a simple promotion of mass murderers and killers.
And do not give me any bs of what I can and can not write. When someone will come here and promote symbols of hate, genocide, mass murder, Holocaust, I WILL RAISE MY OPINION.
Maybe you should go back to school and take history again. You may have slept through it the first time.
Hi Warbird_2006, I am sorry if some of your family members got killed by the communist. I fully understand if this is the case.I am not going to tell you my background, but I have no intention to promote hate......whatever you said.. History is history, it is the past, you still live in the past ? I would suggest you to go out to the street, stopping all the Mercedes Benz, volkswagen, Toyota tell them the story/history, also do you own any house hold appliances that are from the "evil axis". Why blame everything on my shoulder ? using hatred to attack other even you don't know the person, you are no different than the communist, Nazis.... May be you are right , I should go back to school to learn more about history but I can not change the history and of course I hope that bad things won't happen again. Just knowing the history and using that to attack people has no meaning, history is a lesson, after the lesson we should strive to be a better person, not hindering by history, a good positive attitude with appropriate action will write a good history for the future generation. However I would suggest you to go to see a psychiatrist/anger management therapist so that you don't keep suffering from your own hatred for your own good. I don't think your action will do any good to this world, what are you trying to achieve ? Do something constructive, share your experience in a large scale, may be make a speech at the high school or university, it is way better than just finding someone to attack by using vulgar language.
By the way, even you are the best gunsmith in world, I would never ever want to learn anything from you, a healthy and positive mindset is way more important than good technical skill.
By the way, even you are the best gunsmith in world, I would never ever want to learn anything from you, a healthy and positive mindset is way more important than good technical skill.
You can keep your crap. You are making your choices. First of all, you don't have a picture of German Mauser k98 in your avatar. And you for sure did not have a family member killed by a communist regime.
Marxist governments mass murdered about 95,200,000 of their own citizens between 1917 and 1990. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this century total 35,700,000. Your avatar has NOTHING to do with a gun community. Its a simple promotion of mass murderers and killers.
Marxist governments mass murdered about 95,200,000 of their own citizens between 1917 and 1990. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this century total 35,700,000. Your avatar has NOTHING to do with a gun community. Its a simple promotion of mass murderers and killers.
Pretty sure war birds point is that it isn't promotion of a gun, it isn't owning a modern day car made in the same country that used to do horrible things. It's promotion of a Asuncion of hatred.
You'd get very much the same response from him, I imagine, if you had a swastika as your avatar.
You'd get very much the same response from him, I imagine, if you had a swastika as your avatar.
So people can't collect Red milsurp anymore? When was that rule introduced? Guess I missed that one, eh!
By the same logic as you are using Warbird, myself being British must mean I'm responsible for my countries rank subjugation of every minorty on the planet since we built our first ocean worthy ships? The hundreds of millions of deaths by the British colonialism of the last 500 years are all symbolised in my avatar too?
Get over yourself man, He's obviously showing off a prized piece of his collection...nothing more.
Roliecax came here looking for advice on gunsmithing, not the opinion of CGN members regarding his avatar. If he did comelooking for opinions on his avatar - Nice pin! Looks like it was well made...guess those ruskies put the same effort into making pins as they did the Mosin Nagants!
Regarding gunsmithing, as others have suggested...start out on older, cheaper firearms that you can practice with. I started this way with Mosins and I'm currently starting to build up my skills on the pump actions. Remember also, Youtube is your friend! I've picked up several tip and tricks from there and put them into practice.
Well said Panic. I have a WW2 Russian cap and Red Star pin. I sometimes wear it to the range when I shoot my many Russians. I am not a communist.
I started out many years ago as a weapons tech in the RCEME. It was in the days when we repaired wood furniture and repaired parts. I have heard that it isn't quite like that these days. That being said, you can learn all you want, if you want. while in the trade. I have been a back yard hobby gunsmith for a long time and do it just for fun. No money in it.
I think you would be really hard pressed to apprentice as a gunsmith as most people in that position would only take on someone who has a whole hell of a lot of mechanical skill. So sharpen those skills.
I started out many years ago as a weapons tech in the RCEME. It was in the days when we repaired wood furniture and repaired parts. I have heard that it isn't quite like that these days. That being said, you can learn all you want, if you want. while in the trade. I have been a back yard hobby gunsmith for a long time and do it just for fun. No money in it.
I think you would be really hard pressed to apprentice as a gunsmith as most people in that position would only take on someone who has a whole hell of a lot of mechanical skill. So sharpen those skills.
Seems the only way to be taken seriously in the smithing industry these days by potential employers is to have manual and CNC machining skills and ZERO smithing experience.
I was told by a friend who has been a smith for decades that I was "too experienced" and knew too much for him to hire me. He wanted someone he could train and mold to do things his way and his way only. Fair enough and I absolutely get what he meant LOL
Go to school and learn metalleurgy, manual machining and CNC operation/programming. Then, with that on your resume, apply for a job in an established smithing/manufacturing shop, of which there are but a handfull across the country.
Or, take the courses stateside for the firearms you wish to work on. Then get lisenced, open a shop and pound out a name for yourself.
I was told by a friend who has been a smith for decades that I was "too experienced" and knew too much for him to hire me. He wanted someone he could train and mold to do things his way and his way only. Fair enough and I absolutely get what he meant LOL
Go to school and learn metalleurgy, manual machining and CNC operation/programming. Then, with that on your resume, apply for a job in an established smithing/manufacturing shop, of which there are but a handfull across the country.
Or, take the courses stateside for the firearms you wish to work on. Then get lisenced, open a shop and pound out a name for yourself.
One issue I saw with learning stateside is that most schools require you to be able to legally possess and acquire firearms, so that was a barrier for non US residents? I could very well have it mixed up.
