No more Norinco .223

mildcustom2 said:
Who cares what SAAMI says or does. They don't regulate shipping of dangerous goods. Ammunition is a dangerous good, that's why it comes with a 1.4 sticker on the outside of the case or crate. And while a box of it may not do much in a fire what do you think an entire container full will do when engulfed in flames on a ship?

To ship a dangerous good like ammunition costs a container shipping company a lot of money for certification, training, paperwork and insurance. When you carry only a couple containers of ammo on a ship with 100 containers it doesn't make it worth it.

The container shipping company that was bringing the ammo over from China doesn't want to carry this dangerous good anymore simple as that.
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You slipped a couple zeros. A costal delivery container ship is typically over a 1000 containers, with the biggest approaching 9,000 x 40 foot containers.

albayo said:
How do they bring firecrackers and other pyrotechnics into the country airlift them?
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It's not the explosive part, it's the fact that Chinese arms and ammo is banned from US import. The ship has to go to a Canadian port first to offload the ammo.
 
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ABChop said:
I believe the issue is that Chinese ammo isn't allowed in a US port. And the ships go to Vancouver and Seattle to unload on the same run, and the ship can't go to Seattle if it has any Chinese ammo on it....so one container of ammo can hold up a ship with 1000's of containers on it.
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This doesn't sound like a stretch, but do you have a source? It wouldn't surprise me to see this kind of anti-competitive behavior from the US.
 
Netghost said:
This doesn't sound like a stretch, but do you have a source? It wouldn't surprise me to see this kind of anti-competitive behavior from the US.
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Most Chinese arms and ammo were banned from import into the US in 1993 because apparently Norinco reps were caught willing to sell shoulder fired rockets/launchers to people/gangs in the US. These were not RPGs but surface to air missiles. There was also an incident where at least one container of full auto AKs either made it into the US or was on its way. Shotguns and shotgun shells were not banned.

Further bans on most remaining arms was in 2003 when Norinco was found to be selling missile materials to Iran.

So Norinco and Polytech both got their peepees slapped. China actually, because they are both State run companies.
 
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Perhaps one of our sponsors will have his ship that is already bringing ammo ( thereby having all due papers in order) stop by china and load up a couple dozen containers of this stuff, I think it will happen.
 
Generally any container that has flammable cargo is loaded ondeck and not in the hold of a ship. If a fire broke out it is much easier to contain.
 
I wont be sad that this wont be coming in anymore....
Too many places carried this in favor of better ammo.
Wanted to sell this because profit margins are higher. I don't want #### ammo.
Lets get PMC, S&B, Federal etc etc
 
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