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I have a chinese carbine in 7.62x39,NOT 7.62x54 It is a SINGLE SHOT. No magazine well, and the reciever is NOT cut for a magazine. Have seen one other. Anybody know anything about these? Oh by the way , the rear sight is simply a lump with a V notch.

Other than that, it looks like any other moisen.
 
The Chinese did convert some for training/trial use to the x39 cartridge. Never been imported up here as far as I know (JP or johnone can verify). Would be neat to see pictures!
 
A Chinese 7.62x39 mm single shot trainer. This rifle is very rare and is one of three brought to the states by an Arizona importer. They were discovered in a shipment of Type 53's.
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pictures would be neat.
 
You're toying with us again, John.

You're playing us for fools.:mad:

In the meantime, try not to burn your little paws changing an overheated barrel on one of your F/A MG's.:p

BTW, I want to see pictures, and I want to know how accurate it is.

If you don't mind, that is.:)
 
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John just might surprise us all with this one.

Just his collection of .303s has enough unique items that he doesn't have to BS.

NOW: when does somebody tell ME that I don't have an Armaguerra 39? After all, they aren't very common, either.
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The pic Juster posted is exactly what I have A friend has the other one. He imported them years ago with a large batch of the regular carbines

Now oddly enough , this forum is the first one that gave me an answer. On other forums they were guessing.

The nice part is that it is really pleasent to shoot as opposed to the 7.62x54 ones.

Now another interesting item. The buttplate and forearm have indentations that indicate that it possibly was clamped in some sort of fixture at one time
 
I really can't offer more than a guess as to the indentations, John.

I do know that when we were being taught basic sighting technique on the Number 4, the rifles were clamped into an Aiming Instruction Tripod fixture: big thing about 5 feet high with clamps for the rifle. Clamps were padded so as not to mar the rifle. The rifle was fitted with a thing called an Aiming Corrector, a formed sheet-metal arrangement with a smoked-glass mirror so that you could aim the rifle and the Instructor could stand to one side and see exactly what you were doing and tell you what an idiot you were, all without even standing behind the rifle. I have one of the Aiming Correctors (2 types, in fact) but I don't have the tripod and clamp.

Perhaps your indentations are for something of this ilk.

Sorry I can't offer any more.
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Can you post some pictures of your's?

Not being cut for a mag ? Like a "smooth bottomed" 'Nagant?

Can you post pics? If you can send a pic, I would gladly post them (can PM you an email address direct to photobucket). Personally I'd love to see the mag-free receiver and, the bolt. You have a very nifty thing there.
 
Smellie, I have a couple of the tripods, The aiming corrector for the no1, the no4, and even one for the SLR.:D

Also the Aiming lights for the various weapons and the Aiming light with sound box for the Vickers.
 
John, just as a matter of interest, there is another 7.62x39 bolt rifle being built by someone we both know. It is being based on a modded Carcano action, though: bolt-handle removed and set back, piece from the right-rear end of the receiver welded in plac so the thing has a second receiver ring, scoped, mag modded so the Mannlicher clip inserts from the bottom. It should be super nice. Pics WILL be posted when it's up and running, never fear.

I wonder how many of these MNs were built in 7.62x39...... and why more of them haven't come out. Seems to me an eminently sensible conversion to make, especially for training smaller troops, women and in areas where you really don't want a lot of horsepower (limited backstops, etc.).
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Just for fun, I also have a No4mk1 in 7.62x39. Before anyone gets upset, the rifle had been chopped before I got it, so no complete rifle was harmed in the conversion.
Now the interesting bit, I was just at Don Bell's place today (Omega Weapons Systems) for some Lewis gun spares.
He FOUND the original bolts for the two single shots. and he gave me one. Not that I need it, since the one I reworked is just fine. I figure it was a matter of luck, since he has moisen parts by the CRATE Load

Now the reason for those clamps, he told me the information he got from a Chinese army person were that they were sub-calibre devices for larger ordnance and that there was a remote firing cable accessory
 
Possibly clamp èm into the chamber of a 122 and fire with a lanyard?

That would make sense, at least. MUCH cheaper for training!

But what a Treasure.
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