I was just deprimeing some casings and I had about 47 American eagle so want to keep all the casing the same in that lot of fifty I was reloading I grabbed three out of another box of American eagle not noticing that those three were nontoxic primers. When I tried to load with new primer they wouldn't seat right so after about 8 primer I discovered the three were nontoxic casing. So whats the deal with these primer holes?
Nontoxic primers
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On a side-note, I noticed the other day that Winchester aren't the only ones producing small-pistol-primer .45s. Picked up a bunch of Federal brass from the range, also with small-primer pockets. Also of note is that the headstamps bear the "NT" mark, just like WinClean brass.
I have some of the same, I just assumed small pistol would fit. Do they not fit? It is pretty annoying, I have about 600 pieces regular and 100 of these non-toxic ones, so I'll need to buy different primers for those (45 ACP) to use them.
SPP fit in Win's NT cases, don't see why they wouldn't fit in FC's NT cases... Doubt they would've unilaterally decided to create a new primer size (no offense orgrabbit, I'll just have to see it myself to believe it!)
I was reloading primers when I ran into trouble on theses three casings I spoiled about 8 primers before noticing the "NT" marking on theses three casing, that's when I realized that they came out of a lot of "Non-Toxic" casings. I don't have a swager to try on them, maybe that would work. But there is definitely a difference in primer pockets. They deprimed without any issue. Is there a crimp on these "Non-Toxic" primers?
I can't wait to be done with work to get to the bottom of this. Like curtmg, I just assumed SPP would fit. I'm doubly confused by what you said here:
...'cause from my experience, regular (ie, non-NT) FC .45 casings are fitted with large primer pockets...
There may be. Can you see a ring of any sort around the primer pocket? Maybe try a chamfering tool on one and see if you can get a primer to seat.
If you are not already doing so, put some safety glasses on......
Ah, yes, that changes everything.
For what it's worth, I would agree with your hunch that the pockets might be crimped. I'd be very surprised if they were a different size entirely...
Now that I examined it more I believe that the non toxic primers are crimped in, I wasn't expecting it as I was going along so smooth doing the other casings.I guess this must be normal for non-toxic primers. They deprimed so easily maybe that's why I didn't think they were crimped in.
It's just safer for when I'm licking the primers afterwards
I believe they're total metal jacket bullets, with non toxic primers (whatever that means
), they seem to be marketted for use in indoor ranges to reduce lead exposure. Despite the fact that most lead exposure comes not from the firing, but from kicked up lead dust from the floor. Also considering many indoor ranges don't like FMJ bullets, it does seem to be an odd product. I only bought the ones I did, as that was all that was left for federal that day.Finally got around to loading these cases, and they were a monumental pain in the ass. I don't recommend depriming them unless you're using Lee's retractable depriming dies... On three occasions, the primers were so firmly embedded I would've broken the pin if it hadn't retracted.
Also, I recommend chamfering the primer pockets to facilitate priming. A couple of times there, I had to close my eyes, grab the press with one hand and the lever with the other and push with all my might to get that sucker in!
...looking at the cases it's obvious they weren't originally meant to have small primer pockets. The flash holes are huge and there's a mark around the pocket the size of a large primer pocket. If I had any more, I think I'd chuck'em and save me the hassle.
