Norinco .223 ammo issues in my Colt AR

DILLIGAF said:
Im shocked to see the colt U.S Q.C...
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This is part of the mess that is following all the panic buying. There were the rush guns where companies pushed to get product out the door, now with the market flooded companies are cutting corners to under cut each other. I figure it will be years before things settle down.
 
Waynetheman said:
You know what I just thought of something, you said it was happening while manually cycling the action have you actually fired it?
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The bullet is getting stuck on the feed ramps, not the barrel. If I slammed the bolt shut using the charging handle and then used the forward assist I was able to fire it and if I remember correctly I don't think there were any stoppages from the rifle after the first round fired. It's as if there wasn't enough force from the bolt release being pushed to chamber the round. I personally think it's the feed ramps being too rough, causing the bullet to get stuck when not enough force is pushing the bullet into the chamber, hence why when I slam the bolt shut it was usually feeding, or after a round was fired it was feeding, due to the excess force being enough to scrape the bullet over the ramps.

Edit: probably also explains why after I removed the factory grease and lubed it up with some hoppes it fed a tiny bit better due to the speed of the bolt increasing a tad.
 
Waynetheman said:
Are you sling shotting the charging handle or using the bolt catch?


At any rate it does sound like the feed ramps being rough.
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The bolt catch jammed 100% of the time until I cleaned the bolt, then it jammed 95% of the time. When I sling shotted the charging handle itd load most of the time if I used enough force.
 
Waynetheman said:
There's probably deep gouges on the bullets too then. Guess you gotta see what IRG has to say.
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Looks like I'm screwed. No refund or exchange. Have to send it to them for warranty. If they can't fix it in house then it goes to colt for warranty which will take months. Not very impressed. I was also told that colt is sh!t and not a recommended purchase...
 
I feel your pain. I waited 14 months to get warranty work done on a Para.... And then screwed me out of a lot of money....

Hopefully your colt problems get resolved quickly. If you are ever on the island Ill take you shooting ....

Cheers
 
richmyster said:
Looks like I'm screwed. No refund or exchange. Have to send it to them for warranty. If they can't fix it in house then it goes to colt for warranty which will take months. Not very impressed. I was also told that colt is sh!t and not a recommended purchase...
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You need to try new mags as already suggested several times, if it's only the first round in the mag that jams up, and only when you release the bolt by the bolt catch, it's really not that big of an issue. Try different mags, shoot more then 25 rounds and get back to us.
Better yet, get someone with AR knowledge to go shooting with you and diagnose the issue. If the gun runs fine once a round is in the chamber then it's not the gun...
 
Hitzy said:
You need to try new mags as already suggested several times, if it's only the first round in the mag that jams up, and only when you release the bolt by the bolt catch, it's really not that big of an issue. Try different mags, shoot more then 25 rounds and get back to us.
Better yet, get someone with AR knowledge to go shooting with you and diagnose the issue. If the gun runs fine once a round is in the chamber then it's not the gun...
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I tried 10 mags... Each mag did the same thing on every round in the mags. Im pretty sure it's the feed ramps not being smooth enough for the force of the bolt catch release to push a round into the chamber (hence why when firing, it would cycle, because the force is greater than the force of the bolt catch release sans gases). I've had many ar's and although im not a master, I feel pretty confident it's the feed ramps.
 
DILLIGAF said:
I feel your pain. I waited 14 months to get warranty work done on a Para.... And then screwed me out of a lot of money....

Hopefully your colt problems get resolved quickly. If you are ever on the island Ill take you shooting ....

Cheers
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Can I shoot your tavor? ;)

Just kidding... Too soon. I know :( I may have to buy one myself to fill in the blank spot in my safe.
 
richmyster said:
Looks like I'm screwed. No refund or exchange. Have to send it to them for warranty. If they can't fix it in house then it goes to colt for warranty which will take months. Not very impressed. I was also told that colt is sh!t and not a recommended purchase...
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richmyster said:
I tried 10 mags... Each mag did the same thing on every round in the mags. Im pretty sure it's the feed ramps not being smooth enough for the force of the bolt catch release to push a round into the chamber (hence why when firing, it would cycle, because the force is greater than the force of the bolt catch release sans gases). I've had many ar's and although im not a master, I feel pretty confident it's the feed ramps.
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All the same type of mag? Pmags pinned on the a sides?
You know it's a bolt catch, and not a bolt release right. Use the charging handle to load the first round....which you said works fine, and also how the rifle was designed to be loaded, as well as how soldiers are trained to use it....
Did the rifle come with a standard 3oz buffer or an H buffer?
You can always pull the barrel off and clean up the feed ramps, would take all of 10 mins tops and make you feel better lol
 
Hitzy said:
All the same type of mag? Pmags pinned on the a sides?
You know it's a bolt catch, and not a bolt release right. Use the charging handle to load the first round....which you said works fine, and also how the rifle was designed to be loaded, as well as how soldiers are trained to use it....
Did the rifle come with a standard 3oz buffer or an H buffer?
You can always pull the barrel off and clean up the feed ramps, would take all of 10 mins tops and make you feel better lol
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I have spine riveted metal mags, I have spine riveted pmags, and side riveted pmags. I paid money for a new rifle, not a rifle that doesn't work as intended and has issues (the charging handle only works if i sling shot it and still jammed sometimes when doing that). It's a battle rifle, it should function flawlessly. I don't have the tools to remove the barrel and polish the feed ramps, nor should I have to do this to a new rifle... It's an H buffer. Thanks for the lesson on terminology.
 
where are you guys getting these Pmags that are pinned on the side? all mine are pinned on the back. I'd test them but I don't have a rifle to do so with. im still working on that.
 
Put 200 rounds through it and I bet it will load the first round with the bolt catch after that.
 
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Trinimon said:
Odd that it worked fine for the first batch of ammo and issues with the next. Is this the white box, yellow box or paper wrapped ammo?

I'd try buying some other magazine to verify as others pointed out.

A few things you can do in the meantime:

- Grab one of the rounds, can you easily push the bullet into the case by pressing it into a firm object?

- If you reload, pull a few of the bullets and measure the diameter using a caliper. Are they 0.224" or undersized?

- Remove the magazine catch from the rifle. Inspect it that to ensure it does not have any burrs on the catch that could be restricting the magazine from seating properly.

- Check the feed ramps like in the example below:
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Or that they are not misaligned or have a bad barrel extension like below:
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Other possible causes could be that the barrel extension's feed ramps are too narrow or too steeply angled or possibly has burrs/tool markings.

Hopefully it's just a mag issue because that would be the easiest solution.
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Great post I was going to mention this, however even with a standard feed ramp barrel and an m4 upper reciever that are very mismatched (as per the last picture) they should still feed FMJ's perfectly. My ar15 had this condition and refused to feed HP's but anything FMJ spitzer no prob
 
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