Norinco AR vs Stag Arms AR

The price of my CQ meant I was able to get one and learn how to shoot on the AR platform. I don't feel like I am missing out at all. When the choice comes down to an affordable gun or no gun I will always choose the affordable gun.
 
tjhaile said:
Why not two-shot groups?

This is why:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=279218

If a three-shot group is not sufficient to evaluate accuracy, a two-shot group is even less so, if you can even call it a group.

As for the fit between upper and lower receivers, the gap may be unsightly, but it should have no real impact on function.
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I am more interested in results than ANYTHING I read on the internet or anywhere else for that matter.

I don't care about statistical accuracy or whatever - I care about what happens when I pull the trigger.

I have sighted in my rifles this way for over 20 years. I base this on experience shooting everything from fur to meat and it has always worked for me. Could be there is a difference shooting an AR because of the number of shots out of a hot barrel but so far it shoots where I aim so.....

John
 
Three, 3 shot groups for a high power hunting rifle ,with particular attention on where the first round lands from the cold clean barrel in each group. I'd say Five, 5 shot groups for a military match type firearm is minumin to see whats happeneing during heat up and shifting groups from one target to the next quickly.

A good bench rest and attention to marksmanship are a must when determining rifle/load characteristics, so the service rifle should be fired as fast as perfect(or ones ability) marksmanship can be obtained between shots to try and mimic real world accuracy as weapon heats and fouls.
I can shoot my AR from the bench with M193 type ball, at 50 yds and get 3 shot groups that would make one think," who needs a 5R milspec 700 for sniping anyway", but as stated by so many, this is not what the cartridge/rifle MOA will be at 200,300..........etc, not even close!:canadaFlag:
 
FLUXCORE said:
I found my nork trigger extreamly bad when it first arrived but after working it its smothed out a tone, its still no timmy drop in but ive grown to like it
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Yea fluxcore i just kept drying firing partially and resetting the hammer on just the lower while watching TV. It seems to have smoothed it out considerably. Not sue if this is the sign of soft components or maybe any trigger manufacturers parts would yield to thousands of cycles.R:d:
 
the gap on that carbine is awfull send it back mine is nice and snug with hardly any play and zero issues functions flawlesly with all mags,even the finish is quite nice and its as accurate as your stag,stags are the american version of our norinco m4 lol
 
John in B.C. said:
I am more interested in results than ANYTHING I read on the internet or anywhere else for that matter.

I don't care about statistical accuracy or whatever - I care about what happens when I pull the trigger.

I have sighted in my rifles this way for over 20 years. I base this on experience shooting everything from fur to meat and it has always worked for me. Could be there is a difference shooting an AR because of the number of shots out of a hot barrel but so far it shoots where I aim so.....

John
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You assume that every shot in a sequence always goes to the same point in a group every time, i.e that the first shot will always go one point, the second to another, etc. Such is not the case, be it with an AR or any other rifle. There is no way of determining where a rifle will shoot with any meaningful degree of certainty without firing enough shots to get a meaningful sample size.

Two shots will almost always have a mean point of impact that is different from a three-shot group. The only time it would be the same would be if the third shot was centred exactly between the first two shots.

An error is still an error, no matter how often you repeat it.
 
According to my experience Norinco AR are the best arms for use as compared to the Stag arms AR and i always prefer it.
 
Great post and thanks for sharing. I agree with others, if you can ship her back for an exchange I would do so.
 
A brand new rifle in my experience never shoots MOA out of the box... gotta break it in. Others might have a different opinion, but to me the biggest difference is comparing a NIB rifle to a rifle you have hammered 1000 rounds out of. (familiarity, barrel break in, comfort and etc will all affect your results)

The other norcs pictured in this thread look really nice, and for the cost savings of the NORC you can pretty much outfit your AR15 to the tits. Its not like we will ever get to use the AR for anything aside from blasting paper so might as well save some cash :D and buy the norc then upgrade the trigger and etc to parts you do like.


As for groups I agree you need at least 5-10 shots on target and preferably a try groupings on different days. Two shots in my opinion will not tell you much, and statistically the larger your sample size the more accurate your results are.


My suggests for better comparison

1) break the Norc in before comparing results
2) shoot from a bench with a bag/rest
3) shoot more groups with a variety of ammo on different days
4) shoot from 100 yards (just cause .5" groups at 50 yards don't count :D I kid I kid))

Cheers
 
I have one of the earlier ones and I just handled one the latest ones and noted an improvement in fit and finish. Norks keep improving in quality. I have noted that my trigger is much nicer than it was out of the box. A subcal kit gives you lots of chances to work the trigger.
 
So if there was a Zombie Apocalypse which one would you grab if given the choice? :D. That would be a good scene in a movie.
 
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