Norinco M1 carbine, is it possible?

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I was wondering recently if it was possible for Norinco to make some M1 Carbine clone in .30 cal* with a non-res barrel? Would any ppl in the CGN community be intersted?
 
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The M1 Carbine was a short (hence Carbine) Semi-Automatic Rifle that fired the .30 Carbine (Metric 7.62x33) rimless cartridge. I believe the M1 Carbine was the only rifle ever produced that chambered this cartridge.
The 30-30 you mention, is the 30-30 Winchester Rimmed cartridge, produced initially in the Winchester Model 94 Lever Action Rifle, and other subsequent Lever actions. There was also a Pump Action Rifle. As far as I know, no manufacturer has ever attempted to produce a Semi-Automatic Rifle that would chamber the 30-30.
Norinco would never produce an M1 Carbine in 30-30, however they may be convinced to re-produce the M1 Carbine with a 19" barrel so it is non-restricted in Canada, and legal in certain American States.
 
fenceline said:
Better yet any chance fo the M1 Garand's getting imported from N. Korea?
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No get out with your ideas! My M1 is my only retirement savings, and currently has a better interest rate going for it than my savings account!

But if they import a ton of them, at a good price I'll buy another I guess :(
 
Not to worry.
I remember when the Russian capture k98 rifles "flooded" the market, everyone predicted the prices would drop. Never happened, just made everyone want one that much more:)
Joe

Wanhope said:
No get out with your ideas! My M1 is my only retirement savings, and currently has a better interest rate going for it than my savings account!

But if they import a ton of them, at a good price I'll buy another I guess :(
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Anything is possible with NORINCO, if there is some profit to be made

The M305 is a fine example of what they can do.

It's cheaper to produce than an M1 Garand or Carbine but I'm sure they could cut corners if there was enough demand.

Rumor has it that they won't be shipping any more M305s to North America. I honestly don't know if that's true.

I remember Marstar was going to bring some in from Italy (3 X the price) but that seems to have evaporated as well. Maybe, they were trying to get into the US markets?

Norinco Garands and M1 Carbines would be very nice at reasonable prices, like the M305.

$350-$400 would be a very decent price for a newly manufactured Garand or non restricted Carbine.

As for the Carbines being chambered in 7.62x25, they would have to modify the piston assembly under the barrel. The way it's made and pinned would make it very hard to clean out the corrosive elements in the surplus ammunition.

Leave well enough alone. It works very well the way it was first built.

I've seen two of the M1 Carbines that Lever Arms brought in several years ago.

Both of them were barely operable. The operating pistons were extremely rusty and the bores were pitted/without any rifling visible.

If enough M1 Carbines come into the country, the ammunition will follow and be readily available.

A nice 38 Super would be nice though.
 
I wonder how the US would allow them to be imported? Don't they have some import rules that make it very hard for Chinese firearms to enter the country? Well if the parts are somewhat interchangeable like say on the M305, I'd buy one!
 
Unlike the M14, several American companies such as Auto-Ordanance, Universal, Plainsfield and others, starting producing the M1 carbine immediately after WWII, flooding the market with aftermarket carbines along with the surplus USGI ones. There are still many around at reasonable prices. If there was still a market for them I think some of these companies would have continued to make and market them

An interesting item I came across in 'War Baby II' was a section that talked about M1 carbines made by the Chinese in the 40's. Apparenetly the Americans gave the Chinese carbines along with tooling to make there own. Called the 'Copycat' for obvious reasons, it sported Chinese markings and was used in the ensuing war between the Nationalists and Communists.
 
Having owned a carbine as one of my first guns, I can say it is incredibly simple. Wong Fei and Hung Lo Fat would have no trouble reverse engineering the essentials.

- 18 1/2 or 18 3/4" barrel
- forged receiver
- machined bolt (dog $hit simple engineering on this part)
- cast and finish machined trigger group
- slap dash stamped magazines (hardly the same work requirement compared to the M305 mags)
- presentation grade Chui wood stocks
- new production Norinco .30 carbine ammo and we've got a new sales pitch arms race!
 
This is why we need to get rid of the barrel length requirement for semi-auto centerfires.

The 18.5 inch requirement was an attempt to get rid of the M1 carbine as a popular opition for Canadians.

So when can we eliminate the barrel length requirement and just use OAL?
 
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