Norinco m14 (m305)

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Any one using one of these to punch some paper at a decent distance, I am more of a pistol gun guy and I want something cheap I can upgrade easy as I see fit and a M305 seem like a good fit. I have heard some good things anyone have any comment?
 
Any one using one of these to punch some paper at a decent distance, I am more of a pistol gun guy and I want something cheap I can upgrade easy as I see fit and a M305 seem like a good fit. I have heard some good things anyone have any comment?


If you want accuracy at long distances with an M14 type rifle, it is not a cheap route to go. This platform is also very finicky and requires a lot of tuning & patience.

You will be throwing money at that thing left and right in order to make it a tight shooter.

All the long range/precision M14 type rifles I have owned and/or built have run in the $5000.00 range..............and they were good out to 600 meters........

You would be further ahead to look at a bolt gun for long range shooting........
 
Have to agree 100% with Skullboy - I have had a number of M14-type rifle and while they are great fun ( and the bone-stock Norcs are very, very good value ) the platform isn't a tack driver. The most accurate one I owned was an M1A 'Loaded' - not an inexpensive rifle - and it was MOA on a good day. A Remy SPS or Savage 10FP would have been MOA on a bad day and would have cost 1/3 of the price.

M14's can be made sub-MOA but the process is expensive and the big weakness is getting optics to hold zero as all mounts ( exception is ARMS #18 ) are prone to shifting - not surprising since the thing wasn't designed with optics in mind.

But for fun 'hitting a gong at 200' stuff the rifle is great to play with. Buy a stock Norc, do nothing to it and a Remy SPS for tack driving and save yourself money and stress.
 
One more thing to add to the cost is brass life. I was just going through my once fired 308 (from a Norinco) and found a good number of damaged cases. You also have to fully resize reducing case life.

Not a big deal but it all adds up.
 
Cut and pasted from my sticky up in the M14 Forums...

Have a read here and learn. It works, but it's expensive! Anything out past 500 meters, I bust open my .260 Rem M700 shooting Lapua Scenar bullets!

Wanna make your Norinco-Plinko M14 into a M25 DMR or M21 Sniper Wannabe rifle ? READ this first and then decide if you wanna drop the $$ involved.


It's New Year's Eve and my son has a few revellers in the house. They are cool and having a fun time. So I cannot sleep due to the subwoofer's pounding through the house.

Good time to discuss my ventures back in 2002 and 2003.

My first Norinco M305 set me back $ 700 from Milarm and I was glad to get hold of one since this was early 2002 and Marstar's big shipments had not landed for quite a few more months.

I shot a few handloads through the barrel and mike'd the chamber: 17 thou Typically large for the average (10 thou) Norinco M14's that would arrive a few months later. Normal size for the many, many USGI M14's that I through my hands in the mid 80's.

My brother sent me a used Douglas USGI barrel that cost him $ 100 USD. He picked it up at a gun show in Dallas. Previous owner was an NRA NM Course competitor with a "High Master" classification. I was merely a "Sharpshooter". This owner said that he shot 3000 rounds through this barrel and was beginning to drop a few X's from his normal aggregate of 490 points out of 500 points. Yeah, I would be so lucky with my 413 point average....

I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.....

I unscrewed the Norc barrel (and relevant parts hanging on the barrel) and sold them on this board. I assembled the Douglas Chrome-Moly barrel. Smooth process to index... very slick, just as I expected. I re-assembled this rifle with ALL USGI parts that I had accumulated from my Dallas gun shows. Back then the US State Department did not list the M14 relevant parts as Verboten since the USA had not initiated OIF, yet.

I used a Rooster33 stainless op rod spring guide, a TRW made USGI bolt, WELDED gas cylinder assembly that cost me a Tim's double-double to have welded. Jamie (on the CGNutz board) reamed out my USGI flash suppressor at an April 2002 clinic here in Collingwood. I had installed a USGI fiberglass handguard that sat 3/16" from the top edges of the forestock, so no filing or relieving was necessary. Yes, the front band handguard retaining tabs were bent upwards to accomodate (I had to anneal it first) the fat shoulders of the Douglas barrel.

I test fired the rifle as it sat glassed into a reinforced USGI glass stock (buildup with many , many layers of glass, as fat as a McMillan fat bastard NM stock). The brass mic'ed to 1.630". Perfectly dead fzcken nuts on at the SAAMI spec of 1.630". A match chamber- RFO (Right On) Life gets better. I had mounted my Leupold LR/T Mark4 M1 6.5 x 20 x 50 mildot reticle scope using an ARMS # 18 mount and Millett Angle - Loc 30mm rings. I know I'm gonna get flamed for swearing BY these rings when many CGNutters will swear AT them, but they work for me and my budget. Not to mention many DCRA medals won at NSCC/CFSAC, and some 50-XV's shot with these cheaper Millett rings. I shot a wack of 5 round groups. Several were 3/4" and touching, many were 1" and touching, 2 of them were 0.5" , but we all know I could have gotten lucky.

Conclusion: shoots into 3/4"... good enough for the girls we go out with. More accurate than I could ever hold it.

Then I showed up at a Precision Rifle match the following weekend at CFB Boredom's Mons Range. I was shooting 155 gr. Sierra Match Kings, Moly-Coated coming out of my barrel at 2800 fps. This is what I observed...

At 300, 400 , 500, 600 yards, my comeups were the EXACT same as my settings on my 26" factory bbl'ed Remington VS .308 sniper rig. Nothing had changed. Life is ducky !! I was impressed with my rifle. This is great. Maybe I should shoot this for the remainder of the season. Wowsers...

Then we moved further back to 800 yard mound. Things changed QUICKLY. Remember that I am shooting the same load/bullet/powder/ammo that my Remington sniper rifle shoots. So now I have to add another 6 MOA to my familiar 800 yard setting, as recorded in my notebook. You do take notes on your scope settings don't you ? I just held ONE mildot higher or so.

Discoveries from this project:

* Up to 600 yards, this would be a great sniper rig, same comeups, tight groups... yeeeeha
* After 600 yards, ballistically you are at a disadvantage with trajectory, time in flight and of course wind deflection
* You want small groups ? Save your money and buy a Tikka, Savage, Rem M700, Win M70 Stealth, SAKO, Weatherby Threat rifle, yada yada yada
* You really gotta love the M14 platform to shoot long range, otherwise you are wasting your time, money, bullets, weekend, etc.
* Shooting Long Range ? Less money gets you a 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag Winchester Laredo or Remington Sendero right outta the box, even a custom 6.5 x 284 is cheaper using a Rem M700 action.



So there ya go. If you really and truly wanna drop a pile and I mean a BFP (big pile) of money to build up an M25 DMR wannabe, it can be done, but you might be better off spending less $$ and buying above mentioned tactical rifle(s). Plug for Mysticplayer here.... better yet, give him your money and he can build you a 1000 yard tackdriver!!

In closing: Just like I say in my clinics, SAVE YER Money !
 
You also have to fully resize reducing case life.

No, you don't.

That's wasting time, money and potential accuracy.

Have neck sized exclusively on mine from the start with over 6500 rounds to date and never had a problem.

Neck sized exclusively on my 30-30 with over 6000 rounds and never had a problem.

.....you get the point ;)

I want something cheap I can upgrade easy as I see fit and a M305 seem like a good fit. I have heard some good things anyone have any comment?

It's a fairly cheap rifle to buy, so you can get into it, play around and see if you like the platform. You will also find out what it costs to shoot on a regular basis. If it doesn't float your boat you're not out a huge amount of money, sell it and move on.

For the entry price I'd say buy one and play with it for a while.

If you get bitten with the bug you're totally screwed ;)
 
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