Norinco M14 or M305

Accuracy depends much more on the shooter than on the rifle so it depends on how well you shoot.

Yes ofc! But its always good to know that the rifle have potential:)
Anyones have made reloads with BL-c2 and 150 to 165gr bullet? I have that powder to make load for a bolt rifle in 308 but never used much, sold the rifle for another rig:D Still have the powder and bullets:)
 
Claven 2 has said it all in post #16 and I am in full agreement.
I too have owned several M1A's and unless its one of the old 80's ones when they still gave a damn about quality, it is a waste of 2K!!
The Norc/Poly FORGED receivers are as close as it gets to USGI spec, period.
 
well i will say this i got more replies to this then i was expecting i will wait and see why there is a big difference in price before i get one
 
Amen !

Why do I bother replying to these types of posts? Glutton for punishment, I guess.

First of all, I have had M1A's. Been there, done that. they are, by and large, high-priced TRASH. Yes, that's right, GARBAGE. Most of them suffer from bolt roller slap due to improper receiver machining and most will not accept a GI scope mount because they are machined wrong from investment castings. Real M14's are forged and gauged for perfect parts interchangeability.

If you have a real H&R M14 (that you can't take out and shoot) then good for you. Of course the real thing made by a government contractor where cost was not a factor is going to be seuprior. NOBODY makes an M14 receiver the equal of a real GI. Period. LRB, SEI and 762mmfirearms have made close copies from billet or forgings recently, but they are still just imitators and not as good as a real M14.

Interestingly, Smith Enterprises will only build custom M14's on a few receivers. They are:
1) USGI
2) LRB
3) SEI (obviously)
4) Polytech/Norinco.

That's right - they do not use your vaunted M1a because it's out of spec trash. A high sale price doesn;t make it good - look at Dodge trucks. they cost a mint and are a piece if sh!t with nice looking stepped fenders ;) (see, I can chuck trashy remarks too - just like you!)

As for needing parts replacement... lol... SAI stopped using GI parts years ago except for a few small bits like bolt stops and gas cylinder locks. Their bolts, gas cylinders, op rods, etc. are for the most part made in... wait for it... Taiwan and China!!! :eek:

Now for tweaks...

ANY M14, including USGI, works better and shoots tighter groups with National Match modifications. that's what the clinis are about mostly. How to unitize a gas system, how to lap your bolt, how to make sure your barrel is perfectly indexed, how to stone your trigger and sear, etc. The one obvious difference is the Norinco guns need to have the flash hider welds broken and some guns need the barrel indexing tweaked - I've seen that on a lot of M1A's too though.

As suggested, go to a clinic. See for yourself. I guarantee you you'll never think of an M1A the same way again.

That being said, an early M1A with all USGI parts (these haven't been around since the 1980's) is a decent gun. You need to use specific scope mounts to account for the out of spec scope grooves and you often have to get the receiver op rod ledge modified and re-parkerized to fix their sh!tty machining so the bolt roller doesn't smack the receiver, but after $200-300 worth of gunsmithing they are passably useable.

Most Norincos work acceptably well right out of the box - or at least the half a dozen or so I've taken out of the box were like that.

We all over react to trolls -:ar15:
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3CDO you do have the right to your opinion. I'm curious though to know how you came to that conclusion. Have you owned both? Not trying to start anything but am curious to learn. Thanks.
 
"...H&R M14..." It's also a 12(3) prohibited firearm. You can't take it anywhere to shoot it.

maybe he actually doesnt own one.lol
either way. out of the box they are good rifle. and the price is right.
wood stock could be nicer looking and the new plastic ones are crap in my opinion. other than that ...well anything out of the box can use a bit of tune up. i got one and i like it. debating to get another one...
speaking of trucks...dont compare them to guns.
i work on them and i seen it all. cant say much good about the quality on any of big 3...
seen dodge dakota with under 60k upper ball joints fell out when i lifted it to do lube job. had to put it down hit them with a hammer and gently drive it to the dealer 3 blocks away for warranty...and i do like dodge trucks.
 
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