Norinco m305 bolt roller failure

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I have a norinco m305 with about 600 rnds through it and i went to tear it apart to clean it the other day and the bolt roller had fallen off. I read that it might be do to the roller hitting the receiver when coming forward but there is plenty of space between the two even when pressing down on the bolt. Any info on this would be appreciated or where i can find a new bolt. Thanks:dancingbanana:
 
I have a norinco m305 with about 600 rnds through it and i went to tear it apart to clean it the other day and the bolt roller had fallen off. I read that it might be do to the roller hitting the receiver when coming forward but there is plenty of space between the two even when pressing down on the bolt. Any info on this would be appreciated or where i can find a new bolt. Thanks:dancingbanana:

You should post this in the Battle Rifles Forum where the M14 gurus will see it.
 
An often overlooked inspection point in this platform is the oprod pocket/bolt roller contact points

The very rear inside face of the pocket makes contact ,as it should, with the roller while it manipulates the bolt into lock up.
What I have found both in inspecting and building these rifles (m1a's, LRB's included) is that some have contact between the rear inner face of the oprod and the roller, at lockup. So much so that the oprod is putting forward pressure on the roller with bolt in full lockup.
This is very bad and a roller destruction is imminent. There should no forward pressure applied on the bolt roller, by the oprod , at full lock up. The pocket retains it in lockup, yes, but there is a teansy bit of wiggle room that should be there.
If a guy has minimal to medium experience with these rifles, inspecting and remedying this problem may be better suited to experienced hands.

If the above is not the reason, I dunno.
Bolt rollers hitting receivers , "under" the roller at lockup, is a problem known to plague production runs of springfield armoury inc M1A rifles. I've never seen the issue documented on norincos/polys.

Spitting a roller on an otherwise new rifle, being it's chinese, I would look at the oprod and whether it's pressing forward on the roller in lockup. If it is, the rear face of the oprod pocket may need a few thou" or so removed to clearance

To test a given rifle, clean all grease/oil from action parts. Reassemble
Cycle action, letting oprod violently slam bolt into lock up as you would if you were loadin her up to shoot.
You will need an instrument to poke at the roller with to see if it will spin. If it is relatively eaasy to get some spin without feeling drag from the rearmost face in the oprod pocket.... Yer good to go.
If the roller is being jammed by the oprod pocket.... Well you see the point of my post right here :D

You do not want to get carried away removing material, "just' enough to free up pressure contact.
 
I had an issue with my M1A standards bolt roller coming off. After the second time I traced it to the roller making contact with the receiver under the stripper clip guide. I filed it away slowly using some sharpie marker on that spot until the roller no longer made contact there. The problem went away. I had also replaced the original bolt roller clip with a new one which seemed considerably stronger.

You may have more trouble filing yours as it is forged unlike a Springfield receiver which we all know has the same strength as candle wax.
 
And that's why you posted that situation here on the forum. By sharing this bolt roller issue, other experiences can be shared by the numerous experts and resource people that can offer their fixes. We have a great community here; priceless!!

Cheers and keep helping them noobs.

Barney
 
Im wondering in conjunction with what 45ACPKING said if when i shimmed my gas system (which moved the gas system forward) it allowed the op rod to travel further forward before hitting the piston and the rear of the op rod hitting the bolt roller. ??
 
I made mine from a set of leader pliers bought at wholesale sports. Drilled the hole to just over the diameter of the male part of the bolt 9/32 I think and filed them a bit thinner. Pliers were soft enough to work with. It took several attempts to get them right as there is little room between bolt body and groove. Once they were thin enough it slipped right on. Pliers were $10.Saw the idea on M14 forum.
 
I finally figured it out. The bolt roller is contacting the top of the receiver behind the stripper clip guide like Seafury had said . now i just need to figure out how to fix my bolt. im not sure its still good. the bolt roller clip is almost like welded into the groove on the bolt. i will post pictures. Also i discovered my op rod guide is contacting my barrel. need to file that down as well. will also put pictures of that for you guys to see. something to check on yours.
 
If your oprod us contacting your barrel at the end if the backward stroke you may have a bent oprod.

I know that was the problem with mine.

First place to go is the oprod guide. Make sure it is secured and centered. A propper guide will have no play in it.
 
My broken bolt roller. think its still good?? Thanks again. ( have to right click on it and click "open in new tab") sorry
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