Norinco np29 failure to extract

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Pick up one of these last week and got out to the range tonight with her.
Had about 5 or 6 failure to extract out of about 50-75 rounds.
I had no cleaning rod so had to break it down and pull with my leatherman, only one case was really stuck in there, the rest came out reasonably easy.

I inspected the extractor and while it did look somewhat small and dull there was no obvious damage.
I'll get pictures of it up later on.

I was using Barnaul steel case which I know have a lacquer on the rimmed end to seal the primer presumably, I had no other ammo with me to test but it runs flawlessly in my Feg hi power clone.
But there was no bulging or miss forming from the case that failed to extract.

The chamber didn't look shiney clean but I never completely tore it down and inspected the chamber before I shot it.

As I don't think norinco is known for tight tolerances I'm assuming it's either a build up of lacquer and carbon or a a poor extractor.

Anyone had similar issues with this gun before?
 
For a first outing with a new Norc, I would not panic about it. There are many fixes that can be done.

First off, I have to wonder if the extractor is tensioned properly. Basically it is bent by the smith, in a specific way, to have optimal pressure. Its possible the Norc factory guy doing this, messed it up that time. Low quality control, and probably done by a peasant with minimal instruction, not a machinist, nor gunsmith. Find the instructions on doing this properly and try it yourself. And while the extractor is out of the slide, ensure that hole in the slide is clean of... well cosmoline or metal shavings from machining. Also, tension it for 9mm, the proceedure might be a little different than for .45 extractors.

Second, try it for reliability using ammo with brass cases.

Third, some guns need to be broken in. AFAIK this applies to 1911's.

Fourth, you might want to polish your chamber, so that its more slick to reduce the resistance to extraction. Just don't get carried away, you want it smooth and shiny, not deformed and out of spec, so choose a very mild compound. A very aggressive compound like valve lapping would destroy it right quick so don't use that.

If problem still persists, maybe just buy a quality extractor, maybe a Wilson Combat or Caspian Arms. Or an equivalent high quality extractor. This would be more than a fix, it'd be an upgrade over stock. And still cheap. I'd do this even if the Norc extractor was ok. Or rather, I'd use the Norc extractor till it eventually maybe breaks, but have a Wilson extractor as a backup part.
-> Now, that said, I believe you need to buy an extractor for a 9mm 1911, I believe its different dimensions, different part # than for .45 1911's.

The Norc 1911's, whether in .45 or 9mm, may not be pretty, and their QC is not as hot as it should be, and the small parts are slightly questionable. But they usually run long and hard, often on Norc factory internals, or do that after replacing a small part or spring. Never really heard of a Norc 1911 that wasnt "fixable". Once they run smooth, they are a great value for the dollar. That applies to your 9mm NP29
 
Fired cases should not be actually sticking in the chamber. The fact that you found that they were indicates that either the ammo isn't compatible with the new gun, the chamber is not formed correctly or that there's goop in the barrel that should be cleaned out.

I'd start with a good cleaning. And to remove any grease or oil that may have been altered by the heat and fouling into a tough tar like or varnish like consistency I'd suggest a .40cal brass wire brush and a hand drill used with cleaning solvent to scour out the chamber. It should look pristine and fresh rounds should be able to fall into the chamber with a "plunk" sound and then as easily fall back out when you tip the barrel. If they don't then you found your problem.

I'd also invest in a box of decent brass ammo to try for the second time. I'm also thinking that the steel cases, which are often varnished or painted to keep them from rusting are the issue.
 
My FMK 9C1 doesn't like barnaul. Might just be the combo of gun and ammo...

Try some other brass cased stuff. American eagle has been super reliable for me... I'd buy at least two different brands and see if there is any improvement.
 
Just clean it well and try again. If the chamber looks a bit dull go at it with a mild abrasive on a tight patch spinning in your drill but stay away from the throat. JB or Remclean or one of the others will work. When that looks good have a final go at it with Brasso or the fine JB etc.. Take two aspirin and report back on the morning after.
 
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