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Norinco Type 97 Review by The Hunting Gear Guy on September 24, 2013 in Rifle Reviews
http://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/norinco-type-97-review/
The Norinco T97 (or Type 97) has been a 4 year process. Canada Ammo originally attempted to import them in bulk, but was stymied by a very late process RCMP review that found it was too easily converted to fully automatic. A renewed effort by North Sylva redesigned the trigger mechanism to eliminate this issue and they were successful in getting an FRT for their redesigned T97NSR and are importing the rifles into Canada at a roughly $1000 price point as of September, 2013. Now that the wait is finally over, how’s the rifle? There are a pile of photos below, so if you want to know about a particular piece of the rifle, check out the gallery below.
Norinco Type 97 NSR Specs:
Non restricted class in Canada
Chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO (also good for .223 Remington)
STANAG standard magazines (same as AR15)
Comes with a kinda crappy 5/30 magazine. Big, ugly rivets on both front and back.
Some users (myself included) have issues fitting PMAGs and other non-GI style magazines.
Fit my 10 round LAR-15 mags, though not drop-free until I modified the magwell.
Inconvenient magazine release placement on the magwell.
19″ barrel with muzzle brake, though Canada Ammo’s model claims 18.7″ barrel. In any case, more than the 18.5″ necessary to make the rifle non-restricted.
Bullpup layout resulting in a compact overall length
Bolt holds open on empty mag. Need to use charging handle to release once you’ve got a fresh mag in.
Carry handle with integrated iron sights
Proprietary Chinese optics rail.
Optics rails are now available from SFRC ($100), Canada Ammo ($50), and there’s an airsoft rail ($25) out there as well.
Short stroke gas system with rotating bolt.
3 position gas system. (0, 1, and 2 gas setting)
Weight: 3.9kg (8.6lbs)
Trigger pull: 4-5 lbs (light, but a bit mushy and long)
Safety near the buttpad
Cleaning kit included in pistol grip.
3/4″ sling loops
Muzzlebrake/flash suppressor is pinned.
Overall Quality
Overall, surprisingly good. Unlike the Norinco M14, there are no sharp edges, and the metal and plastic all feel military quality. This feels like a gun that you could throw behind the bench seat in a pickup truck and you wouldn’t think twice about it. With a purpose of being a rough and tumble ranch rifle, it’d be the ticket. Everything that is Canadian-friendly feels a bit hodge-podge on usability.
Shooting the T97NSR
Had a range session with another buddy that has a T97, and we’re back with some feedback:
The iron sights suck. I don’t mind peep sights, but these are not round, small, and I found my eyes straining quickly. It grouped alright close in, but at 100 yards I was all over the place. I’ll take the blame on this one.
Adjusting the sights for height is easy due to the included height adjustment tool, but adjusting for windage is much more difficult, because you have to drift the front sight pin over.
Even with a low profile red dot on the accessory rail, a cheek rest of some kind is required unless you’re happy with a “chin weld”. I’m not.
Due to the short overall length, the end of the barrel will rest well inside of many covered shooting positions and makes this rifle sound pretty loud and mean.
The magwell is not well enough relieved from the factory. I gave my magwell a bit of a bevel, while my other buddy did not. It was much more touchy to seat a magazine in his rifle than mine.
I experienced 1 failure in 100 rounds; a round that hit the breech nose first and collapsed the bullet inside the case (and sprayed unfired gunpowder everywhere). I may polish my feedramp as a precautionary measure.
Don’t bother with a front bipod. Most of the weight is on the rear right hand and the front is easily stabilized by your left hand. Fired prone, the rifle is very steady and fired offhand, it’s better than non-bullpups.
On a sling, the rifle is amazing. It’s compact, the flat sides make for easy carry, and the sling points allow for a ton of different carry options. That all said, good luck finding a 3/4″ sling.
The trigger is alright! It’s long, but light and clean.
Usability
With a sling either over the shoulder or carried diagonally over the shoulder and head, the rifle feels fantastic. Those ugly flat surfaces carry evenly on your back and feel great compared to a pokey bolt action rifle or all-angles Norinco M14, and the short OAL of the rifle means that you’re not going to be snagging the barrel on many trees. The magwell and everything they’ve done to make it Canada-friendly is not as great. The mag release is pretty ####: it’s a small button on the wrong side of the magwell. I think a bit of engineering could have resulted in a friendly ambi mag release mechanism that would have been easier to use. The safety is wayyyy back on the left side of the buttstock and is pretty inconvenient. The sling swivels are tiny little 3/4″ deals without enough room for many popular hooks to grab on. The sight radius is pretty small. Scoping the rifle means it’s sitting pretty high over the bore axis. I’ve found that charging the T97 is not fantastically quick as the charging handle only allows a single finger to grab onto it. In short, usability is not up to contemporary military rifles.
Disassembling the Norinco T97
Disassembling the T97 is very easy. (see the images below in the gallery for a better idea)
Pop out the rear takedown pin.
Remove the rear butt, striker assembly, bolt carrier, bolt, carry handle.
Pop out the mid-way pin.
Remove the plastic piece with the grip and trigger.
Twist the gas adjustment to horizontal and remove it.
Remove the gas piston and spring.
Press down on the safety retaining leaf spring, pull safety selector out. Remove sear assembly and trigger bar from rear.
I had a chance to film the disassembly, so take a peek below:
[youtube]WOUHdIDpKD8[/youtube]
I had higher hopes for the T97 being as easy to disassemble as the AR15, but it’s not. The bolt comes out of the bolt carrier a bit easier, but overall accessibility is better in the AR15 line of rifles. The striker assembly of the T97 is a bit simpler/easier to break down than the buried trigger assembly on an AR15. That all said, my 16″ AR15 rifle is much longer than my non-restricted 18.5″ T97, even with the telescopic stock all the way in. The bullpup design requires a bit more complexity, but gives you a much more compact rifle to carry.
Conclusion
Ultra reliable, decent build quality, extremely compact, ugly like a glock, awful ergonomics, needs better optics options, incredible price.
PHOTOS
lots more photos, click on link.......too tedious to link them all here.
http://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/norinco-type-97-review/
The Norinco T97 (or Type 97) has been a 4 year process. Canada Ammo originally attempted to import them in bulk, but was stymied by a very late process RCMP review that found it was too easily converted to fully automatic. A renewed effort by North Sylva redesigned the trigger mechanism to eliminate this issue and they were successful in getting an FRT for their redesigned T97NSR and are importing the rifles into Canada at a roughly $1000 price point as of September, 2013. Now that the wait is finally over, how’s the rifle? There are a pile of photos below, so if you want to know about a particular piece of the rifle, check out the gallery below.
Norinco Type 97 NSR Specs:
Non restricted class in Canada
Chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO (also good for .223 Remington)
STANAG standard magazines (same as AR15)
Comes with a kinda crappy 5/30 magazine. Big, ugly rivets on both front and back.
Some users (myself included) have issues fitting PMAGs and other non-GI style magazines.
Fit my 10 round LAR-15 mags, though not drop-free until I modified the magwell.
Inconvenient magazine release placement on the magwell.
19″ barrel with muzzle brake, though Canada Ammo’s model claims 18.7″ barrel. In any case, more than the 18.5″ necessary to make the rifle non-restricted.
Bullpup layout resulting in a compact overall length
Bolt holds open on empty mag. Need to use charging handle to release once you’ve got a fresh mag in.
Carry handle with integrated iron sights
Proprietary Chinese optics rail.
Optics rails are now available from SFRC ($100), Canada Ammo ($50), and there’s an airsoft rail ($25) out there as well.
Short stroke gas system with rotating bolt.
3 position gas system. (0, 1, and 2 gas setting)
Weight: 3.9kg (8.6lbs)
Trigger pull: 4-5 lbs (light, but a bit mushy and long)
Safety near the buttpad
Cleaning kit included in pistol grip.
3/4″ sling loops
Muzzlebrake/flash suppressor is pinned.
Overall Quality
Overall, surprisingly good. Unlike the Norinco M14, there are no sharp edges, and the metal and plastic all feel military quality. This feels like a gun that you could throw behind the bench seat in a pickup truck and you wouldn’t think twice about it. With a purpose of being a rough and tumble ranch rifle, it’d be the ticket. Everything that is Canadian-friendly feels a bit hodge-podge on usability.
Shooting the T97NSR
Had a range session with another buddy that has a T97, and we’re back with some feedback:
The iron sights suck. I don’t mind peep sights, but these are not round, small, and I found my eyes straining quickly. It grouped alright close in, but at 100 yards I was all over the place. I’ll take the blame on this one.
Adjusting the sights for height is easy due to the included height adjustment tool, but adjusting for windage is much more difficult, because you have to drift the front sight pin over.
Even with a low profile red dot on the accessory rail, a cheek rest of some kind is required unless you’re happy with a “chin weld”. I’m not.
Due to the short overall length, the end of the barrel will rest well inside of many covered shooting positions and makes this rifle sound pretty loud and mean.
The magwell is not well enough relieved from the factory. I gave my magwell a bit of a bevel, while my other buddy did not. It was much more touchy to seat a magazine in his rifle than mine.
I experienced 1 failure in 100 rounds; a round that hit the breech nose first and collapsed the bullet inside the case (and sprayed unfired gunpowder everywhere). I may polish my feedramp as a precautionary measure.
Don’t bother with a front bipod. Most of the weight is on the rear right hand and the front is easily stabilized by your left hand. Fired prone, the rifle is very steady and fired offhand, it’s better than non-bullpups.
On a sling, the rifle is amazing. It’s compact, the flat sides make for easy carry, and the sling points allow for a ton of different carry options. That all said, good luck finding a 3/4″ sling.
The trigger is alright! It’s long, but light and clean.
Usability
With a sling either over the shoulder or carried diagonally over the shoulder and head, the rifle feels fantastic. Those ugly flat surfaces carry evenly on your back and feel great compared to a pokey bolt action rifle or all-angles Norinco M14, and the short OAL of the rifle means that you’re not going to be snagging the barrel on many trees. The magwell and everything they’ve done to make it Canada-friendly is not as great. The mag release is pretty ####: it’s a small button on the wrong side of the magwell. I think a bit of engineering could have resulted in a friendly ambi mag release mechanism that would have been easier to use. The safety is wayyyy back on the left side of the buttstock and is pretty inconvenient. The sling swivels are tiny little 3/4″ deals without enough room for many popular hooks to grab on. The sight radius is pretty small. Scoping the rifle means it’s sitting pretty high over the bore axis. I’ve found that charging the T97 is not fantastically quick as the charging handle only allows a single finger to grab onto it. In short, usability is not up to contemporary military rifles.
Disassembling the Norinco T97
Disassembling the T97 is very easy. (see the images below in the gallery for a better idea)
Pop out the rear takedown pin.
Remove the rear butt, striker assembly, bolt carrier, bolt, carry handle.
Pop out the mid-way pin.
Remove the plastic piece with the grip and trigger.
Twist the gas adjustment to horizontal and remove it.
Remove the gas piston and spring.
Press down on the safety retaining leaf spring, pull safety selector out. Remove sear assembly and trigger bar from rear.
I had a chance to film the disassembly, so take a peek below:
[youtube]WOUHdIDpKD8[/youtube]
I had higher hopes for the T97 being as easy to disassemble as the AR15, but it’s not. The bolt comes out of the bolt carrier a bit easier, but overall accessibility is better in the AR15 line of rifles. The striker assembly of the T97 is a bit simpler/easier to break down than the buried trigger assembly on an AR15. That all said, my 16″ AR15 rifle is much longer than my non-restricted 18.5″ T97, even with the telescopic stock all the way in. The bullpup design requires a bit more complexity, but gives you a much more compact rifle to carry.
Conclusion
Ultra reliable, decent build quality, extremely compact, ugly like a glock, awful ergonomics, needs better optics options, incredible price.
PHOTOS
lots more photos, click on link.......too tedious to link them all here.
