Norwegian 30-06 K98K conversions.

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Hello guys. Here’s the story of the Norwegian 30-06 cal. K98K conversions. When WW2 ended, the germans surrendered large piles of arms. There were almost 400 000 germans in Norway at the time. Immediately post war, the regular army in Norway mostly used british arms, while the Homeguard received the “scraps” wich was a mix of prewar Norwegian guns and about anything shootable from all over Europe, brought here by the occupying germans. Same thing with uniforms and other gear. Around 1950 arms started to arrive from the USA. By 1952 there were no more arms in .303 british left in the armed forces. 30-06 became the standard caliber for the army, and 7,92x57IS for the Homeguard. It was soon decided that also the Homeguard should use 30-06, for logistical reasons. From 1955 – ’58 a large number of K98K rifles were rebarrelled at the Kongsberg arms factory. This version of the rifle was named M98k-f1 (forandring #1 = change #1). (At the same time a few thousand MG34’s were reworked to 30-06 and became the Homeguards standard MG until being replaced by the MG3 in 1993. In around 1979, the MG34’s were reworked a second time to 7,62 Nato).
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1451

There was also a “sniper” model made. M98k-f1s (s= skarpskytter = sharpshooter). These used original german zf41 rifles and scopes. They were reworked in an own serial number range starting with 150000. About 300 – 400 were made. The Mauser rifles got a flat spot milled on the left side of the receiver were the new serialnumber was stamped. The numbers also got a prefix denoting wich branch of the armed forces the rifle belonged to. HÆR (army) for the Homeguard, FLY for the airforce, K.ART. for the coastal artillery and KNM for the navy. There was also some rifles issued to the railroads ( to shoot animals hit by trains), marked NSB. These were mostly oddities like G98/40, greek Mausers etc… The police received the G33/40’s marked POLITI. KNM and POLITI marked rifles were kept in 8mm caliber. In 1967, the army adopted the Heckler & Koch G3, named AG3 in Norway. Plans to convert the rifles to 7,62 Nato were drawn, and a small batch of M98k-f2 were made. Fewer than 100 rifles , maybe as few as 30 were converted. These had the receiver scrubbed, and new Norwegian markings added. These are extremely rare, and I have never seen as much as a picture of one. It was then decided to rearm the Homeguard with AG3’s as well, so no further M98k-f2’s were made. A lot of barrles had been made, and these were later surplussed. In 1969 the first Homeguard units in Finnmark (near the Soviet border) were issued AG3’s. The last Homeguard units traded their Mausers for AG3’s in 1978. The soldiers were allowed to buy their M98k-f1’s for 125 norwegian crowns. Most of the remaining stocks were later surplussed. The Homeguard youth organization still used the old K98K’s until 1995, but then they were retired for good.

I have two of these. A M98k-f1, 42 1940 and a M98k-f1s, DUV41. I also have collected some accessories, Homeguard uniforms and gear of the era.
Here's some pics:
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https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/M98k...ABRricuw67dRYX5Wpw3DR1hxxNCMfV2rrIOWOG3A1_kLQ
https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/M98k...AA1ko9KPQvsPpLcCxiRbawmPn22pRSCbf4OTs_6IIPOaQ
https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/M98k...AC5dM1O7MmgLsIrC9Y-hVWTGXCgDWgR4lqVhkEQ8Qpm-g
 
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I have what you are calling an f2. I am under the impression that quite a few more than 300 were made up.

Mine is obviously made up from a rifle that was converted to 30-06 as it has the cut out in the receiver for the longer cartridge. For all intents and purposes it looks exactly like its 30-06 counterpart. The first difference I noticed when I spotted the rifle was that the barrel appeared to be short. Well, it is. 3/8in shorter.

The barrel is marked "KAL 7.62mm" and has four grooves. There are a couple of other very small marks in front of the barrel shoulder.

The receiver still bears its waffenampts and is a 660 code, dated 1940. The original serial number has been stamped out with one long line and a small letter "c" under it. The milled flat has an HAER stamp with a four digit number starting at 5. The receiver side wall is stamped very deeply with G29/40

The bolt appears to be a mismatch but the root of the bent down knob has been stamped to match the number on the milled flat of the receiver.

I would be happy to send you some photos of both the 30-06 as well as the 7.62x51 if you will send me your email address.
 
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Bearhunter. I've seen lots of norwegian K98K's in 7,62 nato on various forums. They were for sale in i.e. the UK and other European places in recent years. These are not the norwegian f2 model. I once read on a german forum about a german dealer who rebarrelled lots of these rifles to 7,62 Nato, because it made them easier to sell (more availeable ammo). I also read on a norwegian forum, that some armorers made a chamber insert, and rereamed them to 7,62 Nato. Then the barrel would still have it's original markings. This was not a widespread practice, only done by some unit level armorers. Most (if not all) norwegian K98K's in 7,62 nato on the market did not leave Norway that way. Also keep in mind that loads of norwegian barrels in 7,62 Nato were surplused at the same time. These were intended for the f2 conversion that never took place.
Your rifle sounds strange. It must've been shortened from the muzzle end, since you can't just set back a Mauser barrel.
I'll be happy to see some pics. I'll PM you with my e-mail adress.

P.S. When I opened this thread my pics. didn't show. I had to log on to my Dropbox account before they would show up. seems I must be logged on at all times....
 
Bearhunter. I've seen lots of norwegian K98K's in 7,62 nato on various forums. They were for sale in i.e. the UK and other European places in recent years. These are not the norwegian f2 model. I once read on a german forum about a german dealer who rebarrelled lots of these rifles to 7,62 Nato, because it made them easier to sell (more availeable ammo). I also read on a norwegian forum, that some armorers made a chamber insert, and rereamed them to 7,62 Nato. Then the barrel would still have it's original markings. This was not a widespread practice, only done by some unit level armorers. Most (if not all) norwegian K98K's in 7,62 nato on the market did not leave Norway that way. Also keep in mind that loads of norwegian barrels in 7,62 Nato were surplused at the same time. These were intended for the f2 conversion that never took place.
Your rifle sounds strange. It must've been shortened from the muzzle end, since you can't just set back a Mauser barrel.
I'll be happy to see some pics. I'll PM you with my e-mail adress.

P.S. When I opened this thread my pics. didn't show. I had to log on to my Dropbox account before they would show up. seems I must be logged on at all times....

From what I can see, the barrel is purpose built and not altered in any way.
 
Bearhunter: I got your pics. You rifle defenately got it's original barrel. It's not one of the official M98k-f2's, but might be one of the variants made by local armorers. Is it possible to see if the barrel has some kind of chamber insert? I've read that the US navy did something similar to Garands. The " 7,62 KAL " stamp comes from a time were the only 7,62 round in the military were the 30-06, so I doubt it's a new made barrel in 7,62 Nato. But of course I've never seen them, so I can't tell for sure.
The A in circle is the stamp of Hardy Algren. In the 50's he was a controll officer at Kongsberg. During ww2, he was stationed at Iceland, teaching allied troops skiing and winter survival...
The mismatched stock isn't unusual. Scrapped rifles were broken down for parts. So if one had a broken stock, the armorer would simply swap it out with another. Replacement stocks were produced by Kongsberg too. I have an unissued walnut stock stamped with the crowned K of Kongsberg. Anyway, you have a couple of very nice rifles there. I find their history really interesting. Here in Norway these are plentyful and worth next to nothing.
 
Bearhunter: I got your pics. You rifle defenately got it's original barrel. It's not one of the official M98k-f2's, but might be one of the variants made by local armorers. Is it possible to see if the barrel has some kind of chamber insert? I've read that the US navy did something similar to Garands. The " 7,62 KAL " stamp comes from a time were the only 7,62 round in the military were the 30-06, so I doubt it's a new made barrel in 7,62 Nato. But of course I've never seen them, so I can't tell for sure.
The A in circle is the stamp of Hardy Algren. In the 50's he was a controll officer at Kongsberg. During ww2, he was stationed at Iceland, teaching allied troops skiing and winter survival...
The mismatched stock isn't unusual. Scrapped rifles were broken down for parts. So if one had a broken stock, the armorer would simply swap it out with another. Replacement stocks were produced by Kongsberg too. I have an unissued walnut stock stamped with the crowned K of Kongsberg. Anyway, you have a couple of very nice rifles there. I find their history really interesting. Here in Norway these are plentyful and worth next to nothing.

I had heard of the inserts a few years ago. So I took the rifle apart and magnafluxed the chamber area from the outside with professional electromagnets and Fe powder designed to detect this sort of thing. Mostly magnafluxing is used to detect small surface cracks. But with powerful enough magnets and very fine Fe powder it will show anomalies below the surface as well, such as voids in the metal or internal cracks. They show up as a line or area where the defect is. On one of the Swiss conversions I have to 30-30Win the insert show up quite well.

Also, I can shine a light into the chamber are and where the cut out is for the extractor the base of the barrel is visible. It is a purpose made barrel. I have no doubt what you tell us about these rifles is true. It is only good common sense to utilize serviceable spare parts garnered from otherwise unserviceable rifles. Whatever, in North America, especially Canada rifles chambered in 7.61x51 are few and far between. I haven't seen another besides this one. That doesn't mean there aren't a lot of others over here but I have seen/handled/repaired tens of thousands of Mausers and other firearms. I am by no means an expert as most of my work was as a parts changer to make the firearms serviceable. As such I can say that by far most of the Mausers I have seen are mismatched in one manner or another The same goes for just about any rifle that was issued and have gone through subsequent FTRs. Some like the Swedes and even the Swiss would number replacement parts to match. Not just by electropencil but by stamping.

I would really like to see a system of indicator stamps that would show how many times a receiver has been built up to as new again.
 
I had heard of the inserts a few years ago. So I took the rifle apart and magnafluxed the chamber area from the outside with professional electromagnets and Fe powder designed to detect this sort of thing. Mostly magnafluxing is used to detect small surface cracks. But with powerful enough magnets and very fine Fe powder it will show anomalies below the surface as well, such as voids in the metal or internal cracks. They show up as a line or area where the defect is. On one of the Swiss conversions I have to 30-30Win the insert show up quite well.

Also, I can shine a light into the chamber are and where the cut out is for the extractor the base of the barrel is visible. It is a purpose made barrel. I have no doubt what you tell us about these rifles is true. It is only good common sense to utilize serviceable spare parts garnered from otherwise unserviceable rifles. Whatever, in North America, especially Canada rifles chambered in 7.61x51 are few and far between. I haven't seen another besides this one. That doesn't mean there aren't a lot of others over here but I have seen/handled/repaired tens of thousands of Mausers and other firearms. I am by no means an expert as most of my work was as a parts changer to make the firearms serviceable. As such I can say that by far most of the Mausers I have seen are mismatched in one manner or another The same goes for just about any rifle that was issued and have gone through subsequent FTRs. Some like the Swedes and even the Swiss would number replacement parts to match. Not just by electropencil but by stamping.

I would really like to see a system of indicator stamps that would show how many times a receiver has been built up to as new again.
I’ve been going to gun shows all over Canada and collecting Mausers for 30 years . don’t recall ever seeing a Norwegian in 7.62x51 .
 
I have one in 30-06 marked "7.62 KAL". It is my understanding that these rifles were marked that way before the 7.62 NATO round was born. I have tripped up a couple of "experts" by asking them what the "7.62 KAL" means. The answer is inevitably "7.62 NATO". BRRRMMMPPPPP! Wrong! :)
 
Them thar Yooropeens insist on calling a Thutty-awt-six a 7.62x63.

I have a few rounds here of Gevelot '06 headstamped as "7.62".

Every Norwegian Mauser conversion I have seen is marked "HAER" (Army) and 7.62, but the cartridge always is the .30-'06.

I would very much like to see one in 7.62 NATO, but such has not been my fortune.

By rights, I would assume the pitch of the rifling would be different: 10 inches for the '06, 12 for the NATO round. Be interesting to know.
 
Them thar Yooropeens insist on calling a Thutty-awt-six a 7.62x63.

I have a few rounds here of Gevelot '06 headstamped as "7.62".

Every Norwegian Mauser conversion I have seen is marked "HAER" (Army) and 7.62, but the cartridge always is the .30-'06.

I would very much like to see one in 7.62 NATO, but such has not been my fortune.

By rights, I would assume the pitch of the rifling would be different: 10 inches for the '06, 12 for the NATO round. Be interesting to know.


George, I haven't checked the twist rate in either rifle but I will email you some pics.

Ok, I just checked the twist rate with a tight patch on a jag and it measures out to 1-24cm or 1-9.5in on both barrels.
 
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Them thar Yooropeens insist on calling a Thutty-awt-six a 7.62x63.

I have a few rounds here of Gevelot '06 headstamped as "7.62".

Every Norwegian Mauser conversion I have seen is marked "HAER" (Army) and 7.62, but the cartridge always is the .30-'06.



I would very much like to see one in 7.62 NATO, but such has not been my fortune.

By rights, I would assume the pitch of the rifling would be different: 10 inches for the '06, 12 for the NATO round. Be interesting to know.

George: that was a Norwegian HAER 30-06 that I had at Virden two summers ago. You probably still have that catalogued in your photographic memory.
 
I own one of the Norwegian Politi G33/40 rifles. I'm guessing they were left in 8X57 as they were deemed not strong enough to handle the .30-06?

POLITI (Police) and K.Art (Coastal Artillery/Navy) and KNM (Royal Norwegian Navy) were the only ones kept in original caliber.

HAER (Army), FLY (Airforce/Air Defence) were converted to KAL 7.62 (.30-06)

There is also a small number of K98 rifles in original caliber that were placed on the Norwegian trains for "Termination" of wildlife wounded by the trains.

Each were marked with numbers that correspond with number of train. Rumors have it that there are only one such rifle in private hands.

Here is a link to pictures of one that was transferred from Navy to Train in 7.92.

http://www.oldkongsbergarms.com/vaapenbeskrivelser/mausere/M98k%20marine.html

These rifles are "Cheap/Worthless" in Norway due to the numbers available. You can get them from 20-40 dollars CAN and up.

I am expecting one in the near future ...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by sakorick View Post

The Green party destroyed some 80,000 of them back in the 60's and the few remaining are hunting rifles and banned for export. There are no known POLITI or HV rifles in existence.


Not quite true. The Mauser were the standard armament of the homeguard untill 1972 (and maybe a few more years before all got G3's). The homeguard youth used them until 1995. To get rid of the Mausers, the homeguard offered their personell to keep them for a cheep price (125 NOK in the 70's. roughly 20$ in todays currency). The rest were surplused at some point. The last "reserve" were sold in 1996 to the dealer Magne Landrø. That was about 15 000 rifles. There were a hot debate back then, some politicians wanted to destroy them, but in the end Landrø got them cheap, on the condition that they were made availeable to norwegian shooters and hunters for a reasonable price, and not exported (to make big $$$). Today these rifles are about as common as empty beercans, and a nice one cost about 200$. I don't think Landrø exports them, but other dealers doe's. I've seen exportnumbers for smallarms, and there's been exported quite a few of these in recent years. Many has gone back to Germany. In 2004 the army scraped together the last mausers from various storages around the country (mostly reworked "sniper" rifles like these: (but also some k98k's) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_M59) . These were also sold of to army personell until some politician went to the papers complaining about "military weapons being spread on the streets". Then the rest were destroyed. Also Kongsberg armory have gotten lots of Mausers from the army. From '60 - '90 they made thousands of target and huntingrifles based on k98k actions. The police never had k98k's, but they got the g33/40's. These were not rebarreled, they just got a stamp on the left side of the receiver saying "POLITI". These are getting rarer also around here, and cost maybe 1000$. Kongsberg made a huntingrifle in the '80's called m83. It was made from g33/40's. Go to this page: http://www.oldkongsbergarms.com/ click on "GALLERI" then "SKYTEVÅPEN FRA KONGSBERG..." and then choose "M83 JAKTRIFLE". Some 2000 were made of these, so that's the end of most police marked mausers. Here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOOWh25T_P4. I don't think any rifles were ever marked HV (Heimevernet) for homeguard. They got their rifles from the armys series.
 
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