Not technically Milsurp - reproduction De Lisle Carbine

Jayne

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Hi all,

I was at the Pickering Gun Show yesterday. It was your normal collection of moderately interesting hunting rifles and shotguns, with a tiny number of pistols and black rifles, a typical Canadian gun show. I was walking down the last aisle, thinking I had wasted my time when I saw it...

A De Lisle carbine

I immediately pushed my way through the crowd. I was amazed, I had never seen one "in the flesh". I spoke to the guy behind the table. It turns out it wasn't an actual one, it was the second reproduction the guy had built himself. I was amazed, the level of accuracy and detail was amazing. The guy told me that he had even bought a deactivated Lanchester machine gun so that he could take the sights off to make copies of them.

The first one he built for himself was prohibited, with a fully functional supressor. I don't know how he was allowed to do that (I think he has a munfacturer's licence), but he claims he did. The second one was built with a non-functional reproduction supressor. He claims to have had it reviewed by the RCMP and has a FRT for it.

The gun was not for sale, but when I asked him about buying it, he said he is planning to make a short production run if he can get at least 12 people to sign up to buy them.

He said if the buyer supplies the Lee Enfield Mk III the gun is based off of, he will convert it for around $2000. He said the .45 ACP barrel alone is $600.

I did not think to take a picture of it (dumb, I know).

The guy didn't have any business cards, but he did give me his name and phone number. I checked the number and it is for a one-man numbered company, Cinarm, that is listed as a gun manufacturer.

I am interested enough that I will be contacting him this week to get more information. I will share what I find out on this thread. If there were any other CGN members who have seen this dealer and gun, please share your thoughts.

If you want the name and number please contact me by PM. I know nothing about this guy beyond the 10 minutes I talked to him, so I make no guarrantees that this is legit.

Thanks

- Jayne

PS, I just got off the phone with the manufacturer. He seems like a legitimate, stand up guy. He is not on the internet, because he posted information about his prototype on a Lee-Enfield forum and got savaged by critics. He did not want his name posted, but if you are interested, he said it was ok if I shared his name and phone number privately. I am signed up as the first person to get one once he has sufficient interest.
 
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He said if the buyer supplies the Lee Enfield Mk III the gun is based off of,...


I had to double-check, just for my own personal sanity, but yes.


The genuine DeLisle was based off of the SMLE, no matter that recent .45 ACP Enfield conversion kits were specified for the No. 4.


Nice.
 
Tagging for interest.

I don't think I could commit to anything right now, but if there was a sample of his work that someone could vouch for I might be motivated to acquire the sacrificial Lee-Enfield and save up the funds.
 
Did this repro have the bolt shortened, and the 45acp mag affixed up against the trigger guard per the original? Most repro Delisles keep the full length bolt, and move the mag forward as its simpler to do, but to me looks just doesn't look right.
 
If you go to weaponsguild.com, there is a tutorial thread by a European with boardname xlmoby. He has made a couple of fully functioning Delisles. The video clip of him shooting one on an indoor range is quite interesting.
Some time back, a member here made outstanding reproductions with full length barrels.
 
Hi all,

Fargone4sure said:
Did this repro have the bolt shortened, and the 45acp mag affixed up against the trigger guard per the original? Most repro Delisles keep the full length bolt, and move the mag forward as its simpler to do, but to me looks just doesn't look right.

Yes, the bolt was shortened. The magazine was tight to the trigger guard and the 1911A1 magazine had been modified with a metal ridge silver soldered on the spine to click into the original Lee-Enfield magazine release (just like the originals were). The .45 ACP barrel was threaded into the action to meet the shortened bolt.

I will contact the builder again and see if he can send me a couple of pictures of the prototype. If he does, I will post them here.

- Jayne
 
This got posted today - thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/02/17/delisle-carbine-replica/

Looks like someone makes them and has them for sale... Hopefully someone can get an importation project going (Canada would need a model with a fake suppressor)
 
My poor bank account... lol A NR, faithful copy of the De Lisle Carbine (non-functioning suppressor of course) could rapidly land in the "must have" category for me. The "want" factor is huge for me when it comes to this gun. Can't afford one mind you, but I may have to find a way... :)
 
One of our members from England just bought one of these at Bisley and posted pics..

De Lisle Reprohttps://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=59931

Regards,
Doug

That's the same one. With this thread having a larger audience... what is the FRT for a DeLisle? Other than the non-functional suppressor, what are our other limitations in regards to overall length? With the original at 35" it should easily be non-restricted and I suppose should not need a new FRT?

My angle on this is that if the manufacturer is willing to make them with fake suppressors and the FRT is in place, we can simply go ahead and private import them individually...
 
If he is using a receiver off an enfield it won't need a new frt. It is just a barrel length change.

It's just an enfield with a different furniture package and barrel shroud. Not a new gun/receiver.

It would fall under the existing frt entry for the Lee Enfield Mk III that is supplied for the build.
 
They got back to me - their regular suppressed versions they make for the UK market are 2500 GBP... Likely more to make a fake suppressor version for Canada - they are willing to look into that. Export will probably be another 500 GBP - I looked into UK export almost two years ago...
 
As I mentioned in the first post, the guy I talked to in Pickering said if the buyer supplied the SMLE, he could do the conversion for around $2000 Cdn. He was looking for at least 12 interested buyers to make it worth it to do a production run. If you are interested, PM me and I can give you his name and phone number (he doesn't have a website).

- Jayne
 
I spoke with the gentleman from Pickering that Jayne found :) not sure if that is going to happen any time soon - he told me he needs over 20 interested people. I don't think that's happening any time soon with only me and Jayne on the list. I understand it's not going to be a 2000 gun either... he mentions ~5k in the thread below...

Here's a thread where this was first presented: mil surps . com/showthread.php?t=51200

and a couple pictures extracted from it

http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/NPE/media/De Lisle Carbine/DLCRightSide_zps81dec7f2.jpg.html

Looks like Shandwick's gun may be more feasible if they can make a fake suppressor version for us - at least they are making the guns more or less continuously. I would much rather have one that's made in Canada but it seems that either would be about the same cost.
 
Put these 2 together with the kits from north shore barrels a few years ago when he was selling the SAI kits before he closed up


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