Novice here. Pardner Pump Walnut Ga12 questions

[renovatio]

Hi folks,

I have recently bought a Pardner Pump Walnut 12ga form here:
https://www.sail.ca/en/h-r-pardner-pump-walnut-pump-action-shotgun-599085

This was the first time I used and bought a shotgun. I bought it for turkey season, which is still going on until 18th of May.

I am a novice, keep that in mind please.

I have noticed a couple of things, which I am not sure if they are normal or not.

My objectives:

1- To be able to hunt a Turkey this spring, with good, tight pattern. I have an extra-full H&R choke (constriction .690) and Federal Turkey Load #5 shots.

2- To be able to hunt a Whitetail deer this fall, with slugs.

This means I have to shoot straight.


My questions:

1- You will see in the picture that there is a gap between the receiver and its barrel. Is that OK?

2- The vented rib starting from the receiver does not align to the vented rib on the barrel. Is that normal?

3- When looking down the barrels vented rib, I don't find it "straight". There is some kind of ridges along the way. Is this normal? (I was unable to take a picture that shows what I mean.)

4- I haven't finished my shooting test, but so far, it looks like I have to compensate 6'' to the right, and 3'' upward when aiming to pattern a #6 shot in the center at 25 yards with the bras bead. Is this normal, or too much compensation?


My plan (your input on these would be appreciated)

1- Buy some cheap slugs to zero-in the aiming.
2- Buy a rear/front sight combo like this one: https://williamsgunsight.com/product/williams-muzzleloader-fire-sight-set-remington-pre-2003/
3- Shoot and shoot and shoot, until I shoot straight
4- Kill that damn gobbler on the land on which I hunt, and feast on it with my family.

Thanks in advance,

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The pictures:

Receiver and barrel ribs not aligned:

https://i.imgur.com/GPYdfMK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/T0NRBYi.jpg



Gap between the barrel and the receiver:

https://i.imgur.com/alSsseD.jpg

 

[stubblejumper]

You purchased a very low quality shotgun, so the fit and finish is sub standard. The ribs should line up, and should be straight, and the gun should shoot to point of aim, not off to one side.

 

[Buck1950]

Welcome to the forum on this topic. When you disassembled the gun to first clean it, were the receiver and vent ribs correctly aligned when you started? When it is apart, can you move the alignment to correct the ribs? Have you contacted the dealer to get advice on this?
As far as the 'gap', in your pic it looks like it is just the ribs, and not the actual receiver that have a gap. It could be part of the issue with the alignment, or just poor QC on the rib length. Again, contact the dealer ( hope it's someone near you ).
The rib being 'not straight' should not effect your aim - it's a 'Vent Rib' to assist cooling. However, it does go to show again lack of QC in assembly.

As to your shooting, are you shooting from some sort of rest or bench? Or at least 'leaning' against a tree or something. If you're shooting offhand, your aim can be effected by trigger pull. Shotguns generally have stiff triggers that could cause issues like that.
Some good iron sights like you suggest can help with slugs, but with 'birdshot', just pointing is proper. The sights may slow you down if shooting at a bird in flight or a rabbit. Plain Foster rifled slugs should ONLY be shot thru a Skeet or Open Choke as tighter MAY damage the choke or the gun barrel. You're right about lots of practice, but mainly take your time shooting.

Sorry for the brief answer, but there's lots you need to research. Try shotgunworld .com for articles with information, and google 'Randy Wakeman' for starters. Also, chek out information on YouTube about shotgun slugs and other issues.

Best luck getting that damn gobbler ;-)
Ed

 

[bWONGER]

Agreed with the other posts. The firearm purchased is a low quality shotgun, so the fit and finish will be poor. As far as shooting goes have you tried shooting it closer to the target or from a rested position?

 

[0faustus0]

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4- I haven't finished my shooting test, but so far, it looks like I have to compensate 6'' to the right, and 3'' upward when aiming to pattern a #6 shot in the center at 25 yards with the bras bead. Is this normal, or too much compensation?

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I bought the same gun this spring and shot it for the first time last week end.

Now, this is a budget shotgun ... finishing is not perfect, cycling is not as smooth as my other 870s .... etc. So, I was not expecting much.

But it is an 870 clone ... and that is why I bought it ... this thing is home serviceable and I can find parts easily.

And mine as well does not shoot to point of aim. I tried slugs at 30 meters, and the gun shoots about 8" to the left.
I have not handled yet a shotgun with fixed sights (non-adjustable sights) that shoots absolutely to point of aim .... but 8" to the left at 30 meters is a lot .... :-(

Somebody on this forum had the same problem .... returned it to Gravel for warranty repair .... and it seems Gravel solved the problem .... You can try that.

Here is the other thread on the Pardner Pump:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1992638-H-R-Pardner-pump

 

[renovatio]

Welcome to the forum on this topic. When you disassembled the gun to first clean it, were the receiver and vent ribs correctly aligned when you started? When it is apart, can you move the alignment to correct the ribs?

First, WOW. Thanks a lot for taking the time to asnwer me and give me hints. Your input is really appreciated. Unfortunately no, the ribs were never aligned. And no, when the magazine cap is remove, it is impossible to align them correctly.

Have you contacted the dealer to get advice on this?

Nope. I wanted to make sure that contacting them with this was a valid reason, hence my post here! Will do soon then.

As far as the 'gap', in your pic it looks like it is just the ribs, and not the actual receiver that have a gap. It could be part of the issue with the alignment, or just poor QC on the rib length. Again, contact the dealer ( hope it's someone near you ).
The rib being 'not straight' should not effect your aim - it's a 'Vent Rib' to assist cooling. However, it does go to show again lack of QC in assembly.

Ok, so nothing dangerous or detrimental to my aiming, just something that is suboptimal at the QC level. I'm glad to hear this.

As to your shooting, are you shooting from some sort of rest or bench? Or at least 'leaning' against a tree or something. If you're shooting offhand, your aim can be effected by trigger pull. Shotguns generally have stiff triggers that could cause issues like that.

I was shooting seated, with my left elbow on my left knee, to replicate the position I would have when turkey hunting.

Some good iron sights like you suggest can help with slugs, but with 'birdshot', just pointing is proper. The sights may slow you down if shooting at a bird in flight or a rabbit. Plain Foster rifled slugs should ONLY be shot thru a Skeet or Open Choke as tighter MAY damage the choke or the gun barrel. You're right about lots of practice, but mainly take your time shooting.

For now, the shotgun will mainly be used for turkey (heavy lead hots) and whitetail deer hunting (slugs) and maybe some partrige (is that the right name for the small bird you hunt in the forest? In french it is called "perdrix") and hare. So I guess adding a rear sight wouldn't be too detrimental...

Sorry for the brief answer, but there's lots you need to research. Try shotgunworld .com for articles with information, and google 'Randy Wakeman' for starters. Also, chek out information on YouTube about shotgun slugs and other issues.

Best luck getting that damn gobbler ;-)
Ed

That was very informative, I would not consider it a "short answer" ! I will check the resources you provided, thanks for sharing them.

 

[renovatio]

I bought the same gun this spring and shot it for the first time last week end.

Now, this is a budget shotgun ... finishing is not perfect, cycling is not as smooth as my other 870s .... etc. So, I was not expecting much.

But it is an 870 clone ... and that is why I bought it ... this thing is home serviceable and I can find parts easily.

And mine as well does not shoot to point of aim. I tried slugs at 30 meters, and the gun shoots about 8" to the left.
I have not handled yet a shotgun with fixed sights (non-adjustable sights) that shoots absolutely to point of aim .... but 8" to the left at 30 meters is a lot .... :-(

Somebody on this forum had the same problem .... returned it to Gravel for warranty repair .... and it seems Gravel solved the problem .... You can try that.

Here is the other thread on the Pardner Pump:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1992638-H-R-Pardner-pump

Thanks a lot!

Glad to not be the only one. Will try with the shop where I bought it, see if they can do something. Thanks for the link to the other thread!