NVG + Red dot: Killflash make a difference?

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Okay here's a puzzle. I've asked two of my buddies who are former military lads and neither of them had a certain answer. So I'm consulting the communal wisdom of gunnutz:

When using nightvision device on rifles, it is not uncommon to have a flash-hider on the barrel. This redistributes the flash when firing so that there is less light washing out the Night vision tube.

It is also common to run a red dot scope and a night vision monocular together on one unit. An eotech or an aim-point with an NVG mode that puts out at a low brightness.

For these red-dot sights you can buy something called a kill-flash. That honeycombed cover that is designed to make sure bad guys don't see your scope glinting. But it also is used to "reduce glare when firing up-sun."

So my question is: Would using a flash hider, and a kill flash together reduce the overall likelyhood of washing out your NVG unit?

From the tip of the barrel back towards the eye you would have:

flash hider --> kill flash --> red dot --> night vision device --> eyeball

What do we think?
 
I dont see how the kill flash would do this as I believe it scatters reflecting light off the lens instead of masking a flash signature during firing from the flash hider. The more advanced units are auto gated and electronicall supress high blast and wash out. The biggest problem I have with my setup is that even on lowest setting I get abit of residual burn in from on the tube from the micro.

Mine is late 1980s technology, so compared to todays stuff its a toy. It does ok in moonlight though out to about 150 yards, otherwise it needs the Russian IR torch to help it along. Its a Gen 2+ tube, Milspec that was exported to the Israel back then.

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btw is this just semantics or do you have a monocular you are planning on using?
 
Good point. I hadn't even thought about burn in. The aim-point does have an NV specific mode though?

I have an ATN night spirit Gen 2+

It's semantics for the moment as I don't have a picatinny mount for it yet, but one is on the way.

Which flash-hider are you using there USP? I was looking at an AAC Blackout, but haven't made up my mind enough to buy yet.
 
TV-PressPass said:
Good point. I hadn't even thought about burn in. The aim-point does have an NV specific mode though?

I have an ATN night spirit Gen 2+

It's semantics for the moment as I don't have a picatinny mount for it yet, but one is on the way.

Which flash-hider are you using there USP? I was looking at an AAC Blackout, but haven't made up my mind enough to buy yet.
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As nobody has tried to attack my shooting port at the range as of yet, I have foregone purchasing a killflash. :p

The aimpoint has like 12 settings or something, the first 3 or 4 are NV types, they still burn in over time. Takes awhile to clear the tube after use.

With that ATN just make sure you have a good extra IR source. A laser would be nice...:D, but a stoneage ruskie adjustable beam DA Torch is ok to.
 
It has a built in IR source. I've used it out-doors and liked it. My alternative to buying a red dot was to buy an IR laser but they are mega pricey.

We'll see. Maybe a surefire with IR is in my future, but this stuff is just for fun and games so I'm in no rush.

Does your range turn out the lights for you sometimes? I think I've got an in with someone that would let me go total darkness now and again. :D
 
You will find the built in IR source is a gimmick that is limited to light indoor use. Its essentially worthless outdoors past a few feet. You need supplemental IR... the DA Torch is a cheap option and works ok with a iris type beam adjustment.

Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on the more modern stuff. The only problem with the really good gear is that unless its European or maybe Japaneese theres ITAR issues with it from the US.

Da Torch IR illuminator

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Mounts on side rail

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AR christmas tree... makes it heavy enough to throw down a well. Shows various optics, NV, micro and others.

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TV-PressPass said:
Once ya get something good its all about what kind of toys you can put on there.

Thats a pretty good array right there!
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I have piles of this stuff. Its funny because I hardly shoot my ARs anymore. I would rather shoot fudd stuff or black powder! :p

If you want real info on NV go to AR15.com and theres a night vision forum in the armoury section. It has a few industry types that can help with questions. Be forewarned if you go there, ATN is not well regarded. That aside theres lots of guys who can answer any tech nv question.
 
Killflash will do nothing. I have an ATN Gen 2+ scope on the Tavor and the factory flash suppressor. I've seen no noticeable washout when firing multiple shots.
 
f**king whiner. :rolleyes:

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Note, that is not the factory flash suppressor. Vortex style, works amazing! I've since switched back to the factory suppressor for mounting muzzle devices.
 
Armedsask said:
f**king whiner. :rolleyes:

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Note, that is not the factory flash suppressor. Vortex style, works amazing! I've since switched back to the factory suppressor for mounting muzzle devices.
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Jesus thats some big hubble telescope you got there...can you see Uranus on a clear night? :p:p

Hows the tube life on that thing?
 
TV-PressPass said:
I approve immensely.

But where are your iron sights man?
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Troy folding BUIS. Rear sight is under the scope at the rear, front sight is obscured by the light.
USP said:
Jesus thats some big hubble telescope you got there...can you see Uranus on a clear night? :p:p

Hows the tube life on that thing?
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no idea on the tube life. Bought the thing years ago, hardly use it. Can't get it to sight in. Doesn't seem to do what you expect when you try to adjust the cross hairs.
 
The ARD (Anti-Reflection Device) wont do anything for flash reduction into to the tube, but will reduce about 20% of the light transmision into the sight...

Most polite folks run suppressors at night ;)
 
KevinB said:
The ARD (Anti-Reflection Device) wont do anything for flash reduction into to the tube, but will reduce about 20% of the light transmision into the sight...

Most polite folks run suppressors at night ;)
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Our gun laws are further proof that we as Canadians are an angry and uncivilized lot. :p
 
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