Nylon brush

[dthunter]

Thank you for your clarification Alberta Tactical! I was starting to wonder where you were going with that statement.

Lord knows, I have made a few and wondered " what was I thinking!" lol!

The issued with a muzzle cap to protect the crown seems a
Little over the top for me, but if its working for you, what can I say?

I know that I have never had an issue, but i tend to be very careful normally.
Hope I never do!

 

[mercec1]

What do ou guys think about using a "bore snake" for routine cleaning?

 

[The Kurgan]

What do ou guys think about using a "bore snake" for routine cleaning?

I own so many different cleaning tools, rods, guides, protectors, jags, brushes, etc. of all makes and materials that I've lost count... In the end, I just use a quality bore snake and Rem Oil. Easy, effective, and no worry of damage.

 

[ultimate_monkey]

What do ou guys think about using a "bore snake" for routine cleaning?

this question again eh?

newbie plinker sure a bore snake would work fine for a "meh" rifle, ask any of the "true precision" shooters and they are frowned upon..

the problem with bore snakes is the material part behind the brush collects all the crap the your trying to remove, and each pass threw the bore does nothing but pull this crap threw the barrel over and over again..

would you keep running a dirty patch threw your bore trying to get it clean? i garuntee 99.9% of all shooters will answer "no" so why would any one do it with a bore snake?

 

[ryanshaw44]

I believe you are misunderstanding me.

My comment of voiding the warranty has nothing to do with copper or brass.
It is the Bore Shine products that I was referring to. Many barrel makers are pretty serious about what NOT to use when cleaning their barrels, and "some" of the Bore Shine products contain fine abrasive which can damage the bore if not used very sparingly and only in particular situations.
Same goes for the fire lapping bullets, they are a quick way to void a barrel warranty.
More often than not the phosphor bronze (brass) brushes which are the most common brush material used will also dissolve with most copper solvents leading guys to assume that the bore is still fouled with copper as their patches are still blue, hence more scrubbing and more damage resulting.

Definitely something I would of never thought of happening. Good to know

 

[pilot2001]

I believe you are misunderstanding me.

My comment of voiding the warranty has nothing to do with copper or brass.
It is the Bore Shine products that I was referring to. Many barrel makers are pretty serious about what NOT to use when cleaning their barrels, and "some" of the Bore Shine products contain fine abrasive which can damage the bore if not used very sparingly and only in particular situations.
Same goes for the fire lapping bullets, they are a quick way to void a barrel warranty.
More often than not the phosphor bronze (brass) brushes which are the most common brush material used will also dissolve with most copper solvents leading guys to assume that the bore is still fouled with copper as their patches are still blue, hence more scrubbing and more damage resulting.

Yes i totally agree ... Ryan " WITH YOUR BOLT REMOVED AND ENSURING YOUR CHAMBER IS DEFINITELY CLEAR !" you should be able to inspect your barrel to make sure that the copper has bin removered from your lands. To avoid over cleaning.

ABT is correct about the cleaners. Im not a fan of anything stronger than Butches Bore Shine. Lots of guys like wipe out... i personally dont like it. Barns CR10 you need a stop watch when you use it. It can destroy a barrel over night.

I personally recomend copper brushes. Weather you want to pull it back through your crown is up to you... I do. I have a custom 7 mag that has 600 rounds through it in a year and i get 5 inch groups with it at 1000 yards. Another thing to add if your that worried about it... Its nothing for a gunsmith to bang out a new crown ... My dad is not a machinist and rips them off on his home Lathe with ease when needed, and gets amazing accuracy. Im not recommending you do that yourself... Just making a point that there easy to have redone.

 

[Grizzlypeg]

While you mention copper and visual inspections, is a barrel with no visable copper, clean enough wrt copper that its not worth using a copper cleaner? Or are we after "invisible copper" as well? My stainless Ar-15 barrel never has any signs of copper, nor have I yet been able to get a green or blue colour on a patch.

 

[ultimate_monkey]

While you mention copper and visual inspections, is a barrel with no visable copper, clean enough wrt copper that its not worth using a copper cleaner? Or are we after "invisible copper" as well? My stainless Ar-15 barrel never has any signs of copper, nor have I yet been able to get a green or blue colour on a patch.

copper fouling only becoms a problem when it effect accuracy, its the carbon that can actually "damage" the barrel, the copper will give the bullet a bearing surface as it travels down the barrel. hence the "clean bore" shots are never where the rifle actually shoots, so really if you cant see the copper build up and your rifle shoots to its fullest accuracy then your good to go and dont need to go over bored with the cleaning.

i routinely clean my rifles of carbon, but only strip the copper when accuracy starts to fall off.


ill go run to the gun safe and see if i can snap a pic of a copper fouled barrel vs a barrel with about 220rnds down the pipe since the last copper clean out

first off, sorry for the poor pictures, i clearly dont know what im doing
here is a copper fouled barrel

and here is one thats "fouled" but doesnt require the copper to be strpped out yet

 

[Grizzlypeg]

Great job on the photography. Is that copper fouled barrel something extreme? Or do a lot of copper fouled barrels have some copper tinge to them? Does copper tend to accumulate somewhat evenly down the whole bore, or more in a particular area?

 

[ultimate_monkey]

the copper fouled barrel- that tinge on the crown is just weird ambiant light / refelctions i dont know what caused it. its probably more so on the end of overly fouled as accuracy has gon from sub MOA to almost 2.5 MOA as far as the copper on the rifling itself, thats actual copper build up not just a colored tinge.

id like to say that it accumulates evenly down the whole bore, but if for some reason a section of your barrel has more chatter markes from the maching process then the rest it will fould up faster and worse then the rest, but for argument sakes well just say its even down the whole way

 

[jugi16]

Yes i totally agree ... Ryan " WITH YOUR BOLT REMOVED AND ENSURING YOUR CHAMBER IS DEFINITELY CLEAR !" you should be able to inspect your barrel to make sure that the copper has bin removered from your lands. To avoid over cleaning.

ABT is correct about the cleaners. Im not a fan of anything stronger than Butches Bore Shine. Lots of guys like wipe out... i personally dont like it. Barns CR10 you need a stop watch when you use it. It can destroy a barrel over night.

I personally recomend copper brushes. Weather you want to pull it back through your crown is up to you... I do. I have a custom 7 mag that has 600 rounds through it in a year and i get 5 inch groups with it at 1000 yards. Another thing to add if your that worried about it... Its nothing for a gunsmith to bang out a new crown ... My dad is not a machinist and rips them off on his home Lathe with ease when needed, and gets amazing accuracy. Im not recommending you do that yourself... Just making a point that there easy to have redone.

My dad isn't a machinist either. He rips out all my crowns this way after I drag my bronze brush back over the crown.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OorpZlG28fI

 

[pilot2001]

copper fouling only becoms a problem when it effect accuracy, its the carbon that can actually "damage" the barrel, the copper will give the bullet a bearing surface as it travels down the barrel. hence the "clean bore" shots are never where the rifle actually shoots, so really if you cant see the copper build up and your rifle shoots to its fullest accuracy then your good to go and dont need to go over bored with the cleaning.

i routinely clean my rifles of carbon, but only strip the copper when accuracy starts to fall off.


ill go run to the gun safe and see if i can snap a pic of a copper fouled barrel vs a barrel with about 220rnds down the pipe since the last copper clean out

first off, sorry for the poor pictures, i clearly dont know what im doing
here is a copper fouled barrel

and here is one thats "fouled" but doesnt require the copper to be strpped out yet

Roger that !