ODD Glock Experiment...

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So, like many, my accuracy with my Glock was so-so.

I saw a link here http://www.pointshooting.com/firstpad.htm and gave it a very quick read. In a nut shell is advocates using the middle finger instead of the natural and instinctive index finger.

So off to the range this evening for some practice with my friend....

We set up for some fun shoot and practice courses of fire and before we begin I tell him I'd like to try this crazy style I read about.

So I warm up with the usual style of index finger on a 'metric' or Canadian PC IPSC target at about 7m, and get the usual results (no grouping to speak of...swiss cheese time)

I move one stand over and try this new style of middle finger...and damn if I didn't hit 2 mags worth of Alphas with some fairly rapid shooting:confused:.

So it's obvious it's not the gun, but how the heck can I train my trigger finger (index) to get that same smooth pull and far superior accuracy of the really odd feeling middle finger technique?

To be honest, P&S style would take a lot of retraining as it definitely feels odd....but geez it worked so very well.

I'm stumped.




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How many rounds have you fired with your Glock? Is it your first pistol? My G17 was my first pistol and also my first experience in handgun shooting. It take a lot of rounds to perform good groups at the beginning.
 
There's likely two factors at work. First use this chart to correct for grouping errors.

http://www.is-lan.com/challenge/images/Pistol-Correction.pdf

Second is that anticipating the gun going off with a flinch is by far the major issue with "spray painting" problems. Get a .22 and spend some time with it. Learn to squeeze but not anticipate when the hammer will fall. To do this you want to pull the trigger smoothly through the firing point and follow through until it stops in the frame. You can actually dry fire for this exercise. While dry firing keep your sight picture locked on and try to notice any pulling of the sights. That'll help you work on your sight holding and finger issues but it won't work for avoiding flinching issues which are a major cause of spray paint groupings.

You can prove for yourself that you're flinching. Have a buddy load a magazine with a mix of live ammo and snap caps. There should only be one or two snap caps. Have him watch you as well as you watching yourself. Your amount of flinch will be VERY apparent when the hammer or striker falls on a snap cap. Again, I found for myself that shooting my .22 handgun was by far the best cure for this. They sit on the table side by side and one or two magazines of .22 goes downrange and then a magazine of 9mm or .45, then back to the .22. This method sharpened up my own groups far faster and for much less cost than trying to shoot my way out of my issues using box after box of 9mm,
 
Todd Jarrett videos really helped me, you can find them on youtube.

Concentrate on your trigger finger, use the finger pad (not the joint), squeeze the trigger a hair at a time and most important, let the shot surprise you.
 
Do lots of dryfiring and concentrate on the sight picture. The sights should be still as you press the trigger.
 
I feel your pain.

If I remember correctly, you said you had smallish hands, like me. People with big hands can use the pad of their pointer finger while their finger is bent at 90 degrees. This lets them squeeze the trigger straight back. People like me, with shorter fingers, while properly gripping the gun, can just barely get the pad against the trigger (not flat against the face of the trigger, but mostly contacting the right side of the trigger face). So the finger is just making an arc, not anywhere near 90deg. So when I pull back, the flexion naturally pushes on the trigger, causing the gun to shoot left.

I am going to keep trying, but I am convinced that this is why, that it is purely a hand size issue. I shoot my 1911 dead center all the time, and did so the first time I ever picked one up, without even trying, and without even using proper grip technique. Some may say that it is a DA trigger issue. I shoot my dad's S&W 686 DA revolver dead center, and always have. BUT.... it may also be a grip angle issue, as I shoot my Ruger Mark II left as well, and the Ruger has the same drastic forward tilted grip as the Glock. Even though I shoot both the Glock and Ruger to the left, I shoot very good groups with both, so it's something that is erring with great consistency. <SIGH>

I'm trying to nail this problem down as well, as I really want to own another Glock, and want to get rid of this annoying kink. What other handguns have you shot Tim? Which of those shot dead center?

edit: Just FYI I spent a LOT of time practicing dryfiring with the Glock when I had it....
 
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