How much drop would you be looking at at 1000yds with a muzzle velocity of 2350fps? I know drop can be calculated and accounted for, but would you be able to make hits at both 300 and 1000 by just dialing on the scope? I have no idea, but these are some questions I find myself wondering while reading this thread.
Oddball Chamberings for a target rifle? 338-06
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At 2350 FPS with the berger 250 grain OTM hybrid with a 200yd zero, it's 399.98" (call it 400") at 1000 yds and its' still going 1289 fps (according to berger's ballistics calculator) so basically 40 MOA of adjustment from 200 to 1000 which isn't bad if I"m doing my math correctly.
2350 is awfully slow, I would expect better than that even with the standard 338-06. The 250 berger has a very short bearing surface which helps pressure. I run 2700 plus with a 250 out of my 338 Sherman short, saum based wildcat using 60 ish grains of powder. That is not stepping on it at all.
I have shot the 270gr Hornady ELDx (G1 BC .726) in my 23" 338-06, no problem getting 2350 fps and I've shot it out to 600 yards with good accuracy (from a 7.5lb scoped hunting rifle). Also the 230gr ELDx @ 2550 fps (G1 BC .603). They retain speed very well!
Oddball chamberings? I have competed semi-successfully with a 303 British in "F" class (never could win but was able to place second against pretty good competition and beat a whole bunch of 6 BR's). Have also used the 30/40 Krag which could be considered to be a bit oddball. I think a 7x57 would work very well and have had one which would shoot 1/2 moa easily.
Yeah I"m not that concerned about "off the line" speed here. I just love the way these bullets just keep going! What are you using as your parent case? 30-06 brass, or I've heard a lot of people actually prefer to use 270 or 280 brass instead.
I've always thought that the WWI era of military chambering's haven't gotten their fair due, in the modern target shooting scene. I mean at the time they were developed and used they were expected to be able to still deliver enough energy and to be accurate enough at distances of 600 yds plus across trenches to keep the enemy down in them.
With the advances in gunpowder and bullet design's the .303, 7.92, 30-06, and even the 8mm lebel, can still get the job done with the rest of them. It's just having the will to develop the loads and to stand against the crowd of people asking "Why would you use that old round when X is the greatest round since sliced bread?" Sure it may be a bit more involved to get these figured out but isn't that half the fun of it?
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A 338 WM will sit in the same Remington M700 receiver as a 338-06. In your first post you mentioned the Model Seven... which won't work as it's a short action. I do like the general way you are thinking about the subject and not falling for the hype published about the "latest and greatest". So yes, 338-06 or 35 Whelen would both fit the niche you speak of. 9.3x62Mauser, 7x64Brenneke are a bit more on the beaten path but far enough off to satisfy that criteria as well or even 444Marlin if you fancy a rimmed round. Sounds like you need a copy of Cartridges of the World...
Good catch! Meant to say Winchester Model 70! Must have missed the 0 while typing.
I actually do have or had a copy of that book (need to check now if I got it back from the last person I loaned it out to!), makes a good coffee table book. I wanted something different but still something that'll be relatively still easy to load for without needing to get crazy trying to find cases.
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That is what the B.C. numbers are telling you - look for the G1 .600 and higher - can be found in a lot smaller than .338 diameter, meaning a lot less powder, and less pounding on the shooter, but can still accomplish the same. Assuming this is about only placing a bullet onto a target - after contact, the bigger bullet obviously can do more work, but many today are about shooting and hitting a gong or target at range, and not so concerned about what happens after contact...
I have Norma 338-06 brass
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OP - regarding parent case - I guess I do not get it, if the chamber was cut to a standard 338-06 - as in same shoulder length and angle as a 30-06. Is possible there exists a version with a slightly longer shoulder - as per Nosler manual, a .280 Rem shoulder is .048 longer than the 30-06's. But if the rifle's chamber is not cut for that extra length, would need to ask "why" from whomever told you their preference for parent case - I am old and I do not own a 338-06, so I am probably missing something??? I know milsurp 30-06 are / were cheap, cheap, cheap - do not think Rem 280 were like that??
338-280 is a different wildcat than the 338-06. Slightly more case capacity. 338-06 is a great hunting cartridge, can't say I've ever used mine as a target round though. - dan
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Prophet river has a beautiful 338-06 cooper m52 in stock along with the best selection of bullets for it. No less than two other rifles on the EE as well. Epps has loaded Nosler ammunition just a few bucks more than bare brass. Appears to be a fantastic hunting cartridge at minimum
