OFAH Bones Ontario Hunter Education Instructors

the spank said:
The OFAH has been boning hunters and anglers for years. They are the reason you guys have a tag system for coyotes and wolves as well as many other boondoggles.
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Interestingly enough, the OFAH has done more for Ontario hunters and fishermen than all other conservation groups combined?

Turkey reintroduction is just one example. How about fighting for 20 years to have the spring bear hunt reinstated?

The OFAH supports the removal of coyote/wolf tag requirements? In the areas that required tags they wanted to remove the bag limit on coyotes and have a 2 wolf limit?
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Interestingly enough, the OFAH has done more for Ontario hunters and fishermen than all other conservation groups combined?

Turkey reintroduction is just one example. How about fighting for 20 years to have the spring bear hunt reinstated?

The OFAH supports the removal of coyote/wolf tag requirements? In the areas that required tags they wanted to remove the bag limit on coyotes and have a 2 wolf limit?
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And they have thrown handgun and black gun owners under the bus as well. They are focused on the fudd aspect of the sport, nothing else. - dan
 
After I made some inquiries,it was explained to me thusly. OFAH is a NON-profit organization appointed to manage OHEP for the province on that basis with volunteer instructors compensated for legitimate incurred expenses,only. Many individual course instructors gtadually morphed into FOR profit businesses on the OFAH coat tails. Insurance regulations in Ontario require different types of insurance for commercial accounts which FOR profit businesses require. The insurance companies are "cracking down". Being NON-profit,the OFAH with their unpaid volunteer course instructors that are now on-line no longer quailify for commercial policies and rates. That's the only difference.
 
Well. Tags for wolves and coyotes. I myself have never heard something like this done in any other jurisdiction in Canada.
Does the hunter have to pay for these tags??
You can't have a meaningful discussion regards ungulate health when the province reaches into your pocket for any significant act of predator control.
A hunter is doing the work of conservation yet is effectively fined for doing this.
 
Brutus said:
Well. Tags for wolves and coyotes. I myself have never heard something like this done in any other jurisdiction in Canada.
Does the hunter have to pay for these tags??
You can't have a meaningful discussion regards ungulate health when the province reaches into your pocket for any significant act of predator control.
A hunter is doing the work of conservation yet is effectively fined for doing this.
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The only place in Ontario you can hunt coyotes without a tag and year round is SW Ont, all other WMU need tags and certain times to hunt.

Hunting Regs 21/22
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fgvdt3GmKnnra_5VFQ_cA2Rm5Q8tqS3Y/view?usp=drivesdk
 
Trimmer 905 said:
After I made some inquiries,it was explained to me thusly. OFAH is a NON-profit organization appointed to manage OHEP for the province on that basis with volunteer instructors compensated for legitimate incurred expenses,only. Many individual course instructors gtadually morphed into FOR profit businesses on the OFAH coat tails. Insurance regulations in Ontario require different types of insurance for commercial accounts which FOR profit businesses require. The insurance companies are "cracking down". Being NON-profit,the OFAH with their unpaid volunteer course instructors that are now on-line no longer quailify for commercial policies and rates. That's the only difference.
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That's the story all right.....but I would like to meet the guy who is "operating a for profit business" teaching the Hunter Education program.

You wouldn't make enough money to buy a loaf of bread.
 
1ABNDT said:
The only place in Ontario you can hunt coyotes without a tag and year round is SW Ont, all other WMU need tags and certain times to hunt.

Hunting Regs 21/22
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fgvdt3GmKnnra_5VFQ_cA2Rm5Q8tqS3Y/view?usp=drivesdk
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No other province or territory makes a hunter pay for tags these predators. Wolves used to be on the Ontario small game license and it should return there. Put coyote right alongside it. No tags no extra fees. One license one season.
 
Bigbubba said:
That's the story all right.....but I would like to meet the guy who is "operating a for profit business" teaching the Hunter Education program.

You wouldn't make enough money to buy a loaf of bread.
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As a "stand alone",that's absolutely correct,but,many also teach other provincial programs such as driver education,college night school courses etc and federal firearm qualification courses and exams. Roll wnough of them together and it's suddenly a full time business.
 
Bigbubba said:
That's the story all right.....but I would like to meet the guy who is "operating a for profit business" teaching the Hunter Education program.

You wouldn't make enough money to buy a loaf of bread.
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Been a while since I took my ohep but when my daughter did it 7 years ago it was about $100 and there were 18 in the class. You are suggesting the instructor's expenses were greater than $1798?
 
1ABNDT said:
The only place in Ontario you can hunt coyotes without a tag and year round is SW Ont, all other WMU need tags and certain times to hunt.

Hunting Regs 21/22
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fgvdt3GmKnnra_5VFQ_cA2Rm5Q8tqS3Y/view?usp=drivesdk
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Close. Wolf and Coyote can be taken on a Small Game license with no limits or tags from Lake Huron in the west across to the Ottawa River in the east in the southern part of the porvince except for some towndhips around the boundary of Algonquin PP. Firearm restrictions can be found in The Summary in the small game section.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
Interestingly enough, the OFAH has done more for Ontario hunters and fishermen than all other conservation groups combined?

Turkey reintroduction is just one example. How about fighting for 20 years to have the spring bear hunt reinstated?

The OFAH supports the removal of coyote/wolf tag requirements? In the areas that required tags they wanted to remove the bag limit on coyotes and have a 2 wolf limit?
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And what have they done about removing the ban on using restricted firearms for hunting?
 
So a number of us have been chasing insurance brokers and the alphabet soup of firearms organizations in a frustrating effort to find insurance that meets the requirements listed in the original post. The biggest hurdle has been for professional liability, which threw a wrench into everything. PAL instructors don't need it so brokers questioned why hunters ed instructors do. Friends that own a gun store were told by their insurance carrier that for the thousands they already pay in insurance, they were covered for everything except professional liability....

Quotes ranged from $500 per year to responses "take it and run with it as we wont touch it for less than a thousand".

Then the Canadian Shooting Sports Association (CSSA) advised that that their broker would provide the 2 million was approved for Personal Liability but for a small additional fee of $5 on top of the 1yr $45 membership. Any OHEP instructor looking for this insurance should contact

Heather McConaghy
Administration Manager
Canadian Shooting Sports Association
204-1143 Wentworth Street West
Oshawa, Ontario
L1J 8P7
1-888-873-4339


canadian hunter312 said:
Interestingly enough, the OFAH has done more for Ontario hunters and fishermen than all other conservation groups combined?
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Drink the kool aid - its good for you.H:S:

It was absolutely disgraceful how they handled this and left the OHEP instructors on their own to find insurance. They did NOTHING to help us. My long time membership is not being renewed and those fees are now paying for my CSSA membership
 
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Runningfool said:
Been a while since I took my ohep but when my daughter did it 7 years ago it was about $100 and there were 18 in the class. You are suggesting the instructor's expenses were greater than $1798?
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No. I am suggesting that he is not doing a class a week making $1800 a week
More like a class every 4 months making $6k a year....maybe if there's 18 in a class...
That's not much of a for profit business.....
 
Bigbubba said:
No. I am suggesting that he is not doing a class a week making $1800 a week
More like a class every 4 months making $6k a year....maybe if there's 18 in a class...
That's not much of a for profit business.....
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If I recall correctly, the course was a 10 hour course. $1800/class is $180/hour. Not too shabby as a side hustle.

Will you get rich as an instructor? Not likely. But thats why its usually a side hustle.

Been many moons since I did my course. When I did it, the instructors were two older Italian women who ran the courses out of their basement. The basement was set up as two classrooms and an examination room for the practical firearms test. One sister did the hunter program while the other sister did the firearms course. About 20 students at a time and they ran two or three courses a month. Nice set up they had
 
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