OK Who can ID this Rifle?
- Thread starter mildot
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This rifle is a Lee- Enfield No 4 MK1 (F) The (F) designates it as Made in the Royal Ordnance Factoy in Fazakerly , United Kingdom. It was used by the British forces from 1942 to mid 1950's . The serial number is on the left side of the stock band below the safety lever. Above the serial number there might be a year and month made code. I could probably give you a firearm FRT number if I had the correct barrel length. To bad the forearm wood has been cut off. This makes the rifle only worth about $125.00 . By the way!!!!! This rifle is being shown in the full #### position ? Safety is NO#1 The word Surrey on the barrell shows where the barrell was produced. It still will make a good old deer rifle
I have a '44 Maltby with the SURREY stamp along with ADANAC .
Note that they cut off the forearm and removed the top handguards only .
From what info I could find on this told me that these stamps where an indication of the level of " sporterizing " done to the rifle .
Note that they cut off the forearm and removed the top handguards only .
From what info I could find on this told me that these stamps where an indication of the level of " sporterizing " done to the rifle .
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Your gun is an Enfield No4 but you know that already. The barrel is the original but the SURREY stands for a level of sporerizing. The guns were imported by Century International years ago, and came in two grades in each of the Lee-Enfields, No4's, and No1 MkIII. The names escape me but there was a Churchill, and Surrey and a couple of others. I have had some of them and I have restored them in the past. You can also do it with this gun, by restocking it and returning it to original. The barrel looks untouched, and probably has a four of five groove barrel. If it has the better barrel I would persue it. If you want to sell it or trade it let me know.
Albayo
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Your gun is an Enfield No4 but you know that already. The barrel is the original but the SURREY stands for a level of sporerizing. The guns were imported by Century International years ago, and came in two grades in each of the Lee-Enfields, No4's, and No1 MkIII. The names escape me but there was a Churchill, and Surrey and a couple of others. I have had some of them and I have restored them in the past. You can also do it with this gun, by restocking it and returning it to original. The barrel looks untouched, and probably has a four of five groove barrel. If it has the better barrel I would persue it. If you want to sell it or trade it let me know.
Albayo
- Location
- Tucson, Arizona
chopping the forend, screwing in a sling swivel, and throwing away the rest of the bits while stamping your logo on the result is hardly what I would call a "commercial sporter" The only saving grace is that the metal has not been cut, so it is restorable by simply replacing parts.
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Boy if you guys can get $125-to $150 for sporterized Enfields you should come to Edmonton area. We usually strip out the mags and send the guns to auction where they go for about $25-$50. Mags are always in short supply, guns are not. During the big gun sales prior to registration and licensing coming into effect dealers in our area took in hundreds of these along with other less valuable guns.
The reason we don't usually post these guns on our site is the overall value and the cost in 1. putting these guns in our inventory, 2. then putting them on the web site, 3. answering all the questions about the condition which usually require a picture, 4.rationalizing the shipping $20-25. , 5. dealing with the inevitable problems of function and expected condition that didn't match up to what the purchaser wanted, 6. the requirement to find the specific gun on the FRT (registration) and the actual effort in transfering the gun to the buyer. Trust me if there was a way to make an honest buck on these guns with a reasonable amount of effort we would do it. There was a time before registration that you could make some money on sporterized militaray rifles including s and mausers but under the present system and expectations of customers you would be lucky to break even if you paid almost nothing for the gun in the first place. Companies like Milarm were doing this in the old days and making some money but as of late this market has dried up.
- Location
- WMU248 near Edmonton
Looks like a good candidate to restore.
Serial number and markings are elecrtro penciled on not stamped so this was done later (FTR), I suspect that its not a 2 groove barrel but thats hard to say.
Looks like some of the markings were removed when it was sporterized. Its a Mk1 not Mk1*, I need to look at my reference books.
But what I'm thinking is its an earlier rifle (Mk1) but its marked with electro pencil, which would be later, but no makrings indicating a FTR, perhaps removed. Serial number appears lower on the wrist then normal stampings (AA33????) perhaps all the earlier markings were scrubbed, or the rifle was rebuilt on an older reciever.
look for a date on the left side of the barrel knox just above the woodline, should be a 2 digit number like '47
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another thing just struck me (ouch) The markings appear to have been blued over, perhaps another sign that some of the markings were scrubbed off the reciever and the reciever reblued.
Still this is an excelent candidate for restoration, some wood and a few barrle bands and your almost done.
Serial number and markings are elecrtro penciled on not stamped so this was done later (FTR), I suspect that its not a 2 groove barrel but thats hard to say.
Looks like some of the markings were removed when it was sporterized. Its a Mk1 not Mk1*, I need to look at my reference books.
But what I'm thinking is its an earlier rifle (Mk1) but its marked with electro pencil, which would be later, but no makrings indicating a FTR, perhaps removed. Serial number appears lower on the wrist then normal stampings (AA33????) perhaps all the earlier markings were scrubbed, or the rifle was rebuilt on an older reciever.
look for a date on the left side of the barrel knox just above the woodline, should be a 2 digit number like '47
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another thing just struck me (ouch) The markings appear to have been blued over, perhaps another sign that some of the markings were scrubbed off the reciever and the reciever reblued.
Still this is an excelent candidate for restoration, some wood and a few barrle bands and your almost done.
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