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H4831

H4831

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Hi Guys, how about showing us some of your old ammo you have lying around.
I will start it. Here is a nice old Winchester (W.R.A.) 50-95 EXPRESS, pictured with a 22 Hornet, for comparison.
Two old Winchester 45-70 boxes, about half full.
Old W 45-70s, showing several headstamps.
And here is a fired military 45-70, dated 5 (month) 82, showing the internal primer once used.
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Catnthehat......package must have been opened and redone as it doesn't look quite like ones I have seen. It should have ten military Snider rounds in it. Referred to as a "tied pack" by collectors of such. May be the old rolled brass cases but from the late date may be drawn brass. It should have a packing slip inside with lot number, date on it.
 
I thought that those 45-70 shells were rimfire; I have one with a dent in the center from someone trying to shoot it in a centerfire rifle

cheers mooncoon
 
The 45-70s were all centre fire. Wife and I spent several days at the sight of an old US military fort in Arizona, that was discontinued in 1893. The sight had been used for other purposes in intervening years, but while we were there it was completely abandoned, with no buildings of any kind. We found the location of their shooting range and found dozens of empties, along with one loaded, unfired 45-70. The 45-70 was the US military rifle during those years.
We found several different headstamps of various years. We found some that used the internal primer. In the picture here, the one on the right is the one from yesterdays picture. The one on the left has no headstamp markings, nor has the pistol in the middle, with the internal primer.
In all of them, the ring around the case that held the primers in place, can be plainly seen.
The similar 50-70 was the governments official rifle prior to the adoption of the 45-70, and we found the odd 50-70 case.
We also examined the range's gravelly hill, backstop, loaded with sqwashed lead bullets.
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H4831 said:
The 45-70s were all centre fire. Wife and I spent several days at the sight of an old US military fort in Arizona, that was discontinued in 1893. The sight had been used for other purposes in intervening years, but while we were there it was completely abandoned, with no buildings of any kind. We found the location of their shooting range and found dozens of empties, along with one loaded, unfired 45-70. The 45-70 was the US military rifle during those years.
We found several different headstamps of various years. We found some that used the internal primer. In the picture here, the one on the right is the one from yesterdays picture. The one on the left has no headstamp markings, nor has the pistol in the middle, with the internal primer.
In all of them, the ring around the case that held the primers in place, can be plainly seen.
The similar 50-70 was the governments official rifle prior to the adoption of the 45-70, and we found the odd 50-70 case.
We also examined the range's gravelly hill, backstop, loaded with sqwashed lead bullets.
45a003.jpg
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That's a neat story 4831, I had never heard of internal primers before. I assume by "spent several days" you mean trailer-5th wheel? How would you find the location of a Fort that old?? More about it please :)
 
"NEW" OLDIE .22s

I was cleaning and straightening out a small storage cabinet filled with all kinds of old gun goodies. Buried on the back of a shelf under a pile of old holsters, I ran across this little treasure.

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It is one of six such boxes I found, still wrapped in the heavy, clear plastic wrapper they once used on the 500-round "bricks." Best I can recall, I bought these in the late '70s up on Vancouver Island just before we moved back to the States to care for elderly parents.

Does anyone reading this have info on what date IVI replaced CIL? And, is IVI still in business? :confused:

Thanks in advance for any info on these little guys.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser
 
mauser said:
Does anyone reading this have info on what date IVI replaced CIL? And, is IVI still in business? :confused:
Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser
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Yep, still in business. Still makes most of the ammo for the CF, both small arms ammo and the big artillery stuff. They are called "General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems-Canada Valleyfield Inc" now. There small arms ammo brass is still stamped IVI. The umbrella company was at one time SNC Lavelin, not sure how it fits in there anymore.

http://www.snctec.com/html/en/about/history.php
 
Many thanks for that info Shelldrake. I just noticed these IVI rounds have the D headstamp with a dot in the middle. That's one that used to be considered very scarce. Wonder who I could find out from the dates, or types of ammo, that was used on?

I've also got a Dominion round from WAY back when that is the D in a circle. I was told that was what Dominion used on an experimental gallery round called "Bang-A-Deer."

Again, thanks for that info.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser
 
Kjohn, the same picture is on your du Pont powder can, as is on my little keg. Wonder how long they kept it as a symbol?
 
Senior, you are correct, we travelled by 3/4 ton truck and trailer. Arizona is a great place to explore, because the vast majority of land is government owned. You can stay on any government land for a two week period, free. To be within the law, you are supposed to move in two weeks, but move twenty five miles and you can stay again for two weeks! So, with a good self contained trailer, we could last at least ten days, before we needed to drain the septic tanks and refill the water.
We always checked out historical information and in the cases of old forts, we would then check to see what was there now. In the case of the one with the empties, it is now vacant land.
With my quad, we rode a few miles on the exact same, main east/west stage coach trail, as was used in the late 1800s, and had not been used since. Same ruts the stage coaches made.
The secret to finding historic old, forgotten sights, is to be friendly and ask lots of questions.
In Tennessee we pulled off the freeway at a little crossroads stop, in typical looking Tennessee hilly, rocky hardwood forested back country, all but vacant of people. There was an old store and antique shop, with an interesting man operating it. He told us we were the only Canadians he had ever talked to!
An hour later he directed us to a beehive like structure, made from cut rock. The quarry the rocks had come from was plainly visible on a nearby hillside. This was a small foundry for melting down lead ore, to get lead for the bullets for use in the US civil war of the 1860s!
With the metal detector I found where they had dumped the slag. He told us it was a Rebel operation, and he also told us that to this day they had never found where the lead ore came from! It must have been close by, in order to build the little smelter. I have pictures of it, and may, at a later date, get them on the computer and I could post them, if anyone is interested.
 
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