Olympic arms Review by Sturmgewehre/ Tier 1 to Tier 3 AR's's

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Olympic arms Review


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GYFstkfNA&feature=channel_video_title

After watching this review i found it very interesting, Olympic Arms AR's have had bad press for sometime, but there company appears to have fixed a few issues and raised the quality standards of there rifles.

This review makes me think where exactly other AR manufacture's are and what quality standards matter that are not on the chart that should be?

Perhaps a longer more detailed list/chart or a buyers guide to AR's is what is needed? I would love to hear what some manufactures and gunsmiths have to say on this. What is the best way to make an AR with no price point in mind and then one that does come with price limitation.

There is such a whole whack of new innovations that have been targeted to the AR world, it makes me wonder what is needed and wanted that should come with an AR these days. Is the whole classic M4 style dead, and we should move on too free float barrel etc etc..What type of materials should be used on an AR in a 21century?

NO F/A debate here please will skip that part Laugh2Laugh2:cheers:

What are your thoughts guys?
 
My thoughts are you can get the same with another brand. So why go with the Oly? The first AR I ever fired was a 9mm Olympic Arms. Great fun and it got me hooked. That being said stuff was starting to fall apart on it. Even the owner acknowledged that Olympic arms wasn't the greatest manufacturer however 9mm was harder to get in an AR so that's why he went with it.

There are a lot of excellent options out there. I'd give the Olympic arms rifle a pass.
 
Oly refused to participate in the current iteration of the chart. If you can get them to give up details, I'm sure Rob Sloyer would be interested, but the reason they're left blank and you're directed to contact them is that they wouldn't let him use the information.

Just giving this vid a quick scan...unknown barrel steel, 1:9 twist, not impressed
cheap handguards
minimal testing implies average accuracy for an AR...about what you would expect
Only 4 mags run through it so no real conclusions about the reliability can be drawn
can't get a good look at the staking so no idea how good it is...almost everybody stakes nowadays, the question is how well are they staking it?
they make their own bolts out of a proprietary steel and they use a different approach to testing it...who knows
the bolt looks like a bolt
the carrier looks like a carrier
they did finally start making 5.56 chambers, that's good
lifetime warranty, that's good
they don't outsource...that's irrelevant IMO


Conclusion...I have learned about as much from this video as from a gun magazine article, i.e. basically nothing other than this guy thinks it's okay, on the basis of nothing that I can determine.

Considering you can get BCM rifles for the same money in the US I can't imagine why you'd look at this gun.
 
misanthropist said:
Oly refused to participate in the current iteration of the chart. If you can get them to give up details, I'm sure Rob Sloyer would be interested, but the reason they're left blank and you're directed to contact them is that they wouldn't let him use the information.

Just giving this vid a quick scan...unknown barrel steel, 1:9 twist, not impressed
cheap handguards
minimal testing implies average accuracy for an AR...about what you would expect
Only 4 mags run through it so no real conclusions about the reliability can be drawn
can't get a good look at the staking so no idea how good it is...almost everybody stakes nowadays, the question is how well are they staking it?
they make their own bolts out of a proprietary steel and they use a different approach to testing it...who knows
the bolt looks like a bolt
the carrier looks like a carrier
they did finally start making 5.56 chambers, that's good
lifetime warranty, that's good
they don't outsource...that's irrelevant IMO


Conclusion...I have learned about as much from this video as from a gun magazine article, i.e. basically nothing other than this guy thinks it's okay, on the basis of nothing that I can determine.

Considering you can get BCM rifles for the same money in the US I can't imagine why you'd look at this gun.
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Yeah BCM appears to be the rave these days, but from your list of valid questions I don't see any answers but more questions in general. For example is KAC not way above the the Chart and has far exceeded the requirements, from what I have read and can tell using my limited knowledge on the manufacturing side, KAC for example does appear to be above the Chart and gone beyond those requirements.

I'm not against the 1/9 twist as much for barrel as most although I prefer the 1/7 twist in most instances. But I find that debate and the stressing on the 1/7th twist to be not as important as many claim. Is the 1/9 actually better for using a wide spectrum of 5.56???? smaller the twist the higher the gr 62 to 77gr and 1/9 generally is better for the lighter mid gr 55gr to 63gr roughly. I'm not a ballistics expert by any means and I have forgotten much of this stuff, now that I'm writing this.

P.S I wouldn't really buy an OLY unless that was the only option...
 
David K said:
... Price Point? .... David K ;)
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US, MSRP off the Olympic Arms website. Yes I know they can get it cheaper but it gives an idea of where the company sees their product:

$1,038.70 (I'm not sure what's up with the 70 cents but oh well).

1,038.70 MSR

In the States you have a lot of options at that price point.
 
Epoxy7 said:
US, MSRP off the Olympic Arms website. Yes I know they can get it cheaper but it gives an idea of where the company sees their product:

$1,038.70 (I'm not sure what's up with the 70 cents but oh well).

1,038.70 MSR

In the States you have a lot of options at that price point.
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Actually I have been reading on M4carbine.net that that a colt M4 goes around that price forget what the model is, so why even bother with an Oly when you can get a colt M4.
 
Leibermuster said:
Yeah BCM appears to be the rave these days, but from your list of valid questions I don't see any answers but more questions in general. For example is KAC not way above the the Chart and has far exceeded the requirements, from what I have read and can tell using my limited knowledge on the manufacturing side, KAC for example does appear to be above the Chart and gone beyond those requirements.
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Yeah, but if you're already looking at KAC, there's a good chance you don't need a chart to determine what you want. Certainly not beginners kit. A beginner might buy a Colt (in the US) purely for brand recognition, but KAC and LMT? Highly unlikely a newb would stumble on to that.
 
OLY's are defenatly entry grade rifle's. I don't care what anyone says. They can blow alot of smoke but I'll never own 1. For the money that these guys are selling them for I would DEFENATLY own a CORE or a BCM. Once you get 1 of these 1's in your hands and have been spoiled like I have with AR's you will know what I am talking about. I would even take a Norinco over a OLY any day.
Sorry got to run cause the mall is having a sale on ninja suit's. Sorry I mean OLY rifles.
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What do you know about the Core guns? The only things I know about them are: they use US parts, which is meaningless, and the guy in charge is from Bushmaster, which is a bad sign. And what is the story on their barrels? Chambered in ".223/5.56x45"...now that's a good eyebrow raiser.

I wouldn't recommend them until they actually make it here...definitely would not put them up with BCM until you know something about them, anyway. They may run...they may not. I am guessing you have not seen one yet? Have you seen anything else they've done? What else have they built and who is using it, and for what purpose?

They are a total unknown at this point AFAIC.
 
misanthropist said:
What do you know about the Core guns? The only things I know about them are: they use US parts, which is meaningless, and the guy in charge is from Bushmaster, which is a bad sign. And what is the story on their barrels? Chambered in ".223/5.56x45"...now that's a good eyebrow raiser.

I wouldn't recommend them until they actually make it here...definitely would not put them up with BCM until you know something about them, anyway. They may run...they may not. I am guessing you have not seen one yet? Have you seen anything else they've done? What else have they built and who is using it, and for what purpose?

They are a total unknown at this point AFAIC.
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Hehehe!!!
Do you wish you were me?
Hey you got to try the NEA 1's. They still haven't even shown us westerners what they run like.
caugh...
caugh...
(Jeff send Dave with 1 out here to show us what time it is ;))
Anyway CORE has some very nice stuff and once you see it in person you will relieaze the I am mostley full of hot air:rolleyes:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/514214__ARCHIVED_THREAD____LAST_DAY_TO_TAKE_ADVANTAGE_of_Core_15_s_ARFCOM_Special__M4A3_Upper_Receiver__425_Shipped________.html&page=1
http://www.core15rifles.com
P.S. It has to be stated as 223 for us lonley Canucks to purchase.
 
David K said:
..OUCH ! .. Glad my tastes and preferences, don't run in this direction ! LOL! ..... David K ...;)
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That's what I said, until I shot a few. After 30 seconds of being shown how to use one you feel like you were born knowing how to use the AR rifles. Fast handling, good ergonomics for the most part (charging handle can suck at times depending on the optics) and decent accuracy. This goes for both the AR10 and AR15 models.

I still like my accurate bolt guns. That being said my AR10 shoots 1/2 moa 5 round groups. It's pretty close in accuracy to my Remington 5R milspec. There are also a few AR15 rifles that shoot 223 at 1/2 or less moa too. The AR rifle has a lot going for it. The DI system has been criticized a lot but ultimately that system lets these things be really accurate, and or really light and fast handling. For my uses, the disadvantages are negligible.

How many rifles do you know can go from fast CQB rifle to long range accuracy rigs? The AR can. If these rifles weren't restricted, I think you would see them everywhere. I know a few rifles in my collection I wouldn't have bought.
 
..."Epoxy7 " ..... 'Used to own a Colt AR15, with the triangular fore end, no less ! Shot it in a few Matches way back in the Mists of Time. Fun to shoot, that I'll admit. ... Call me a Fossil if you will, but I still prefer, a Rifle with Wooden Furniture ! LOL ! ..... David K
 
David K said:
..."Epoxy7 " ..... 'Used to own a Colt AR15, with the triangular fore end, no less ! Shot it in a few Matches way back in the Mists of Time. Fun to shoot, that I'll admit. ... Call me a Fossil if you will, but I still prefer, a Rifle with Wooden Furniture ! LOL ! ..... David K
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The new ones with a 16" barrel or a 14.5" are a bit handier than the Vietnam era ones. Free float rails etc make even the regular ones capable of 1-1.5 moa.

That would have been fun shooting the SP1 Colt though.
 
David K said:
..."Epoxy7 " ..... 'Used to own a Colt AR15, with the triangular fore end, no less ! Shot it in a few Matches way back in the Mists of Time. Fun to shoot, that I'll admit. ... Call me a Fossil if you will, but I still prefer, a Rifle with Wooden Furniture ! LOL ! ..... David K
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misanthropist said:
Just giving this vid a quick scan...unknown barrel steel, 1:9 twist, not impressed
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I get your points, but IMHO, there is nothing wrong with a 1:9 twist for most shooters unless you want to shoot really heavy (for 5.56) bullets.

In theory a chrome lined 1:9 barrel should work as well as a 1:7 for all but the heaviest projectiles and provide longer barrel life. Some of the best makers out there make 1:9 barrel options available and they are a popular compromise between 1:7 and 1:12.

Just saying'...

Because 1:7 is on the chart, does not mean it is better - just that the technical data pack for the M4 specifies that twist.

Unknown barrel steel is quite another thing though... ;)
 
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