Ontario Moose Hunters - MNR survey

LouF said:
Filled it out.Notice they didn't include First Nation Harvest as a viable concern to moose populations.
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Probably responsible for as many moose harvested as the six factors that were listed. I think if licensed hunter tags are reduced it's only fair the native harvest is as well.
 
[no no] the indians don't shoot too many moose.
What a foolish suggestion.
Mnr don't have enough brains to figure that one out.
Nuff said
my blood pressure is rising.
 
MNR has no say on this matter, it's federal. Let's just consider ourselves lucky we are allowed to shoot their moose at all!
 
Well the government still calls it "Indian Affairs". I was born in Canada. Aren't I a native of this country? I think everyone should be treated equally in this country, however some are treated more equally than others.

All kidding aside, the "keepers of the land" should take an interest in managing the moose population too instead of shooting everything they can and then rubbing the white man's nose in it. Just my opinion.
 
Filled in the Survey.
Comments included Laws/Regulations that are enforced for all hunters, Native and Non-Native.
Rules need to be the same for everyone, period.
 
My final comment,


Question # 8 on your survey I selected HUNTING as the most concerning issue, but not legal hunting by legal licensed hunters, but by all the illegal hunting done by the natives that seem to ignore rules like shooting down road ways, across roads, from roads, hunting outside of the season, hunting moose while they swim, hunting all year long in non reserve locations, etc etc, they are NEVER held accountable and never charged so they just breed their ignorance and you people dont give a crap about this issue! Sooner rather than later the legal hunters will stop spending the thousands and thousands of dollars we do for the moose hunt and just find something else to blow our money on. My words will likely fall on deaf ears, but at least I was able to voice my opinion!
 
A friend quite a few years ago was complaining to a local MNR employee about lake trout netting on the spawning grounds by Indians from the Bear Island Reserve on Lake Timagami and asking for enforcement. After he baited the employee enough about the Ministries' lack of enforcement he was finally told that short of having a directive from a Deputy Minister or higher they were prohibited from taking action against any Indians.

Regardless of the name applied to these people their definition, as I understand it, has expanded to the point where all it requires is for the applicant to have 1/64 Indian/Native blood to qualify. Any where else in the country we consider such a person to be assimilated into the general population. Once again, special rules.

Jim
 
I usually try and refrain from posting but the recurring lack respect and ingnorance of first nations on CGN is fustrating. Natives are not breaking the law if there hunting on the land they have treaty rights to. Are there some that abuse it most likely but dont tell me every Non native hunter follows every rule and no poaching happens. As for it being fair lifes not fair. The things natives are entilted to are in return for giving up land that is now Canada the country your ancetors immigrated to. Blaming the "Indians" is such an easy scapegoat. With all the injustice in the world being angry at a whole race over hunting is wrong.
 
TY_GUY_ said:
I usually try and refrain from posting but the recurring lack respect and ingnorance of first nations on CGN is fustrating. Natives are not breaking the law if there hunting on the land they have treaty rights to. Are there some that abuse it most likely but dont tell me every Non native hunter follows every rule and no poaching happens. As for it being fair lifes not fair. The things natives are entilted to are in return for giving up land that is now Canada the country your ancetors immigrated to. Blaming the "Indians" is such an easy scapegoat. With all the injustice in the world being angry at a whole race over hunting is wrong.
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If non-native hunters get caught they pay big time.If natives get caught what happens?When there's no animals left and no fish to catch then what?My wife is Metis so I'm not ignorant of this issue of racism and the blame game.But if quite a few white hunters on this forum say it is so then may-be there is a problem that should be dealt with?
 
I did the survey but it's kinda like closing the barn door after all the horses have ran away.

They are only asking NOW so they can say that "everyone who wanted to be heard was consulted".

We should all know that the changes "have already been made" and will be in the new hunting guide out in a few weeks.

This "study" was started back in 2008 or 2009 and they certainly didn't ask back then when it might have made a difference.
 
LouF said:
If non-native hunters get caught they pay big time.If natives get caught what happens?When there's no animals left and no fish to catch then what?My wife is Metis so I'm not ignorant of this issue of racism and the blame game.But if quite a few white hunters on this forum say it is so then may-be there is a problem that should be dealt with?
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I believe there should be some accoutabllity for the animals killed by native hunters so those figures can be factored into MNR decisions and to also prove right or wrong people accusations. You ask what happens to natives if they get caught nothing there not breaking the law.
 
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TY_GUY_ said:
I believe there should be some accoutabllity for the animals killed by native hunters so those figures can be factored into MNR decisions and to also prove right or wrong people accusations. You ask what happens to natives if they get caught nothing there not breaking the law.

If they are hunting at night with spotlights, discharging firearms at night, selling meat, and letting an animal go to waste because it didn't drop beside the road then yes they are breaking the law, the problem is they want to do whatever, whenever, wherever under the disguise of traditional hunting. The rest of us have to live by the law of the land but they have deemed themselves free of some restrictions by the government. They have the best of both worlds and it creates a divide among us.
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waltman said:
TY_GUY_ said:
I believe there should be some accoutabllity for the animals killed by native hunters so those figures can be factored into MNR decisions and to also prove right or wrong people accusations. You ask what happens to natives if they get caught nothing there not breaking the law.

If they are hunting at night with spotlights, discharging firearms at night, selling meat, and letting an animal go to waste because it didn't drop beside the road then yes they are breaking the law, the problem is they want to do whatever, whenever, wherever under the disguise of traditional hunting. The rest of us have to live by the law of the land but they have deemed themselves free of some restrictions by the government. They have the best of both worlds and it creates a divide among us.
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Have you witness this with your own eyes or did you hear about it from a guy who knows a guy. You know how many times I have heard the story of the truck full of natives with rifles and truck bed stacked full of moose that gets higher and higher each passing year. Like I said there's bad apples in every race but I belive a lot of the stories get passed around as facts by people who are upset that someone can do something they can't and have a reason to slander
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