Ontario Rifle Association - Service Rifle Matches 2024

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A Service Rifle Competition, in the service rifle forum? Am I crazy?
Yes, yes, I am. Crazy enough to try and get Service Rifle going again under the ORA. Diesel_62, and I will be running these two matches in addition to the Precision Rifle and CQC matches we already organize.

We are planning two match dates in 2024. Tentative dates are August 24 and October 19.
We will be shooting at CFB Borden.
Round count is 110.
$45 for ORA members, $85 for non-members.

Proper service conditions. Carry all of your equipment and ammo on you. Dust of that webbing. Step away from those baby buggies and garden carts. Plan to leave your pack in the target butts. Plan to eat in the target butts.

Manual or semi-auto. Probably best if you have some sort of mag feed 223. DCRA NSCC rules will be used as guidelines, more or less. As long as it's safe, it's probably going to be allowed.
You should have a known good zero at 100 yards. Sighting shots will be given at 200, 300, and 500 yards.

The UPDATED tentative course of fire will be

Match # O1
Range
Type of Target Scoring
Type of Match
# of rds
Description
Timing
1. 0
200​
fig 12 hh
Sighters​
5​
-5 sighters from prone-5 min for sighters
- each sighter indicated
1. 1
200​
fig 12 hh
V, 5, 4
Snap​
10​
-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt kneeling or squatting 2 shots
-return to standing alert
-2 shots per exposure
-5 x 15 sec exposures
-10 -15 sec between exposures
-left, centre, right
-watch and shoot
1. 2
200​
fig 11, left
V, 5, 4, 3
fig 12, right in frame
V, 5, 4
Rapid​
10​
-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt
sitting, kneeling or squatting
-5 shots on each tgt
-1 x 60 sec exposure
-watch and shoot
1. 3
200​
fig 11 hh
V, 5, 4, 3
Mover​
5​
- start from last position
- 1 shot per exposure
-5 x 6 sec exposures
-random, left or right
-10 - 15 sec between expos
-watch and shoot
1. 4
200
100​
fig 12 hh
V, 5, 4
Rundown
Snap​
10​
-start from last position
-when tgt appears move to 100,
load/ready on arrival
-1st exposure, 1 shot standing,
adopt kneeling or squatting,
-2nd exposure, 1 shot from position
-repeated 5 times
-return to standing alert between
-1 x 1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
-5 x sets of
up for 3 sec
down for 5 sec
up for 3 sec

-each set left, centre, right
-10 - 15 sec between sets
-watch and move

Match # O2
Range
Type of Target Scoring
Type of Match
# of rds
Description
Timing
2. 0
300​
fig 12 hh
Sighters​
5​
-5 sighters from prone-5 min for sighters
-each sighter indicated
2. 1
300​
fig 12 hh
V, 5, 4
Snap​
10​
-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt prone
-2 shot per exposure
-5 x 15 sec exposures
-10 -15 sec between exposures
-left, centre, right
2. 2
300​
fig 11, left fig 12, right in frame
Rapid​
10​
-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt prone
-5 shots on each tgt
-1 x 60 second exposure
-watch and shoot
2. 3
300​
fig 11 hh
V, 5, 4, 3
Mover​
5​
-start prone
-1 shot per exposure
-5 x 6 sec exposures
-random, left or right
-10 - 15 sec between expos
-watch and shoot
2. 4
300
200
100​
fig 12 hh
V, 5, 4
Rundown Multiposition
Snap​

5
5​
-from unloaded prone
-tgt appear move to 200 load/ready on arrival,
standing, fire 1 shot
-then 1 shot from :
-kneeling
-prone
-kneeling
-standing
-tgt reappears move to 100 repeat
-1 x 1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
-5 x 3 sec exposure
-down for 30 sec
-1x1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
-5 x 3 sec exposure
-left, centre, right
-10 - 15 sec between expos
-watch, move and shoot

Match # O3
Range
Type of Target Scoring
Type of Match
# of rds
Description
Timing
3. 0
500​
fig 12
4’ in frame
Sighters​
5​
-5 sighters from prone-5 min for sighters
-each sighter indicated
3. 1
500​
fig 12
4’ in frame
V, 5, 4, 3
Rapid​
10​
-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt prone
-1 x 60 sec exposure
-watch and shoot
3. 2
500
400
300
200
100​
fig 11 hh
V, 5, 4, 3
Rundown
Snap​
2
2
2
2
2​
-start standing alert 5m behind mound
-tgt appears move to 500 adopt prone, fire 2 shots
- unload
- when tgt appears move to 400, on arrival load/ready, prone
- unload, repeat run downs
- when tgt appears move to 300, 200, 100
-2 shot per snap exposure
-500 25 sec exposure
-down for 15 sec
-400 60 sec exposure
-down for 15 sec
-300 60 sec exposure
-down for 15 sec
-200 60 sec exposure
-down for 15 sec
-100 60 sec exposure

-watch, move and shoot
3. 3
100​
fig 12 hh
V, 5, 4
Mover​

5​
-start standing alert
-1 shot per moving exposure
-5 x 6 sec exposures
-random, left or right
-10 - 15 sec between expos
-watch, and shoot

It's going to be fun!
Watch, move, and shoot! Watch, move, and shoot!
 
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not even if you bribe the range staff with beer and chicken wings

unsupported. The rifle or any part of (including the magazine) may rest on the ground while shooting from prone. For all other positions (sitting, knelling, squatting, standing) the rifle must be supported entirely by the shooter.
Ok cool. I'm up for the challenge.
 
not even if you bribe the range staff with beer and chicken wings

unsupported. The rifle or any part of (including the magazine) may rest on the ground while shooting from prone. For all other positions (sitting, knelling, squatting, standing) the rifle must be supported entirely by the shooter.
Does entirely mean no assistance from a sling?
 
Some of the Matches had a weird number of rounds... but I don't really care...
It was a fun Match and would encourage all to attend if they can.


Before the flames regarding the statement "weird number of rounds" starts... here are some stats:
  1. There should be 5 sighters (rather than 3), but, hey 10 were allowed, so like I said... it was a fun Match.
  2. There were always 10 scored rounds per mound beyond 75 yards, but the two round Matches here move the Competition along faster (like at least 3 relays x at least 4 exposures x at least 3 mounds... faster).
  3. As to 5 round magazines (and/or 5 round Matches)... I don't recall military personal using more than 1 magazine per mound (but not necessarily loaded to full capacity), and I just finished stating that there were always 10 scored rounds per mound (100 yards and beyond).
Oh, and I likely shot metal plates on Mons prior to 2017 (when shrouding of metal targets became a requirement). It was done in the context of a post-Match shoot off (and after the 500-yard rundown).

The Operational Shooting Association (OSA) official birthday is April 7th, 2006, and with that tidbit of information, I am guessing the first Service Rifle competition I attended was in 2004. We shot from the 200-yard and 100-yard mounds and the "run down" was more of a brisk walk. TK made that handful of people event into a full-blown CAFSAC preparation series of events. Hopefully, the next generation will be able to do likewise.

The following comes off the dance sheets that I kept for no apparent reason... I having just finished scanning and shredding them now LOL.

2011 Service Conditions
Match #1.1 - 200 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #1.2 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.3 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.4 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.1 - 25 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.2 - 15 yards, 20 rounds
Match #2.3 - 10 yards, 18 rounds (Mozambique Drill & at 10 yards, the only time it was not 10 rounds)
Match #2.4 - 10 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.1 - 300 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #3.2 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.1 - 500 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #4.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds

2012 Service Conditions
Match #1.1 - 200 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #1.2 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.3 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.4 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.1 - 25 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.2 - 15 yards, 20 rounds
Match #2.3 - 10 yards, 18 rounds (Mozambique Drill & at 10 yards, the only time it was not 10 rounds)
Match #2.4 - 10 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.1 - 300 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #3.2 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.1 - 500 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #4.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds

2012 - 13 Service Conditions
Match #11.1 - 200 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #11.2 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.3 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.4 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.1 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.2 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.3 - 75 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.4 - 50 yards, 10 round
Match #12.5 - 50 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.6 - 25 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.1 - 300 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #13.2 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.1 - 500 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #14.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds

2013 Service Conditions
Match #1.1 - 200 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #1.2 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.3 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.4 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.1 - 300 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #2.2 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.1 - 400 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #3.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.1 - 500 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #4.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #4.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds

2013 CAFSAC
Match #11.1 - 200 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #11.2 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.3 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.4 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.1 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.2 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.3 - 75 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.4 - 50 yards, 10 round
Match #12.5 - 50 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.6 - 25 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.1 - 400 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #13.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.1 - 500 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #14.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds

Service Rifle 2017
Match #11.1 - 200 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #11.2 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.3 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.4 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #11.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.1 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.2 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.3 - 75 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.4 - 50 yards, 10 round
Match #12.5 - 50 yards, 10 rounds
Match #12.6 - 25 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.1 - 300 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #13.2 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #13.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.1 - 500 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #14.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #14.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds

Service Rifle 2019
Match #1.1 - 200 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #1.2 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.3 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.4 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #1.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.1 - 300 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #2.2 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #2.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.1 - 500 yards, 5 sighters, 10 rounds
Match #3.2 - 400 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.3 - 300 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.4 - 200 yards, 10 rounds
Match #3.5 - 100 yards, 10 rounds
 
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With the impact of Bill C-21 and five years having passed since our last Service Match, I found myself questioning why my Kestrel elevations were off. After some analysis, I thought it would be helpful to share my findings. The Match distances spanned from 100 yards to 500 yards. At both 300 and 500 yards, I observed a consistent deviation of 1 MIL—a significant error, yet consistent, which aligns with the underlying issue I discovered.

When a bullet is traveling supersonic, there's no need to true up your ballistic data. Instead, it's essential to focus on what could be wrong and how much that error could impact your calculations. It turns out that the initial zero—a single data point—is likely the most significant source of error, particularly when using a ballistics calculator that accounts for local environmental conditions.

In my case, it seems my initial 100-yard zero was likely set around 1.5 degrees above the horizontal plane. Perhaps a 50-yard zero would have been more practical, but that’s a discussion for another time.

I asked ChatGPT... "If the impact of a bullet at 100 yards is zero, but there is a 1 mil error in elevation, how many degrees of a slope up is needed for this to occur?"

ChatGPT's answer...

To find the slope in degrees that would cause a 1 MIL error in elevation at 100 yards, we can follow these steps:

Step 1: Understand the MIL Error in Inches at 100 Yards​

1 MIL at 100 yards corresponds to:

Height=100×1.027×1≈102.7 inches\text{Height} = 100 \times 1.027 \times 1 \approx 102.7 \text{ inches}Height=100×1.027×1≈102.7 inches
So, a 1 MIL error at 100 yards would cause the bullet impact to be approximately 102.7 inches (8.558 feet) above or below the point of aim.

Step 2: Calculate the Slope in Radians​

The slope θ\thetaθ in radians can be calculated using the formula:

θ=arctan⁡(oppositeadjacent)\theta = \arctan\left(\frac{\text{opposite}}{\text{adjacent}}\right)θ=arctan(adjacentopposite)
Here, the opposite side is the MIL error in inches (102.7 inches), and the adjacent side is the distance in inches at 100 yards (3600 inches).

θ=arctan⁡(102.73600)≈arctan⁡(0.02853)\theta = \arctan\left(\frac{102.7}{3600}\right) \approx \arctan(0.02853)θ=arctan(3600102.7)≈arctan(0.02853)

Step 3: Convert the Slope to Degrees​

Now, convert the slope from radians to degrees:

θ≈arctan⁡(0.02853)≈1.635∘\theta \approx \arctan(0.02853) \approx 1.635^\circθ≈arctan(0.02853)≈1.635∘
So, the slope required for a 1 MIL error in elevation at 100 yards is approximately 1.635 degrees.
 
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I shot the ORA SR match yesterday and I found it ran pretty well. The C of F has a good variety of Service Rifle content. Everything felt like we were doing just what we loved doing.

Some tweaks to the C of F were discussed with shooter and staff feed back after the match. I expect further discussions will occur so the organizers can get things even more better-er.

It was frigging great to be back shooting SR. I have missed it, a lot.
 
August 24 Scores

Thank you to our 12 shooters and staff for helping bring Service Rifle back in Ontario. I can't believe it's been 5 years since we did run-downs on Mons range. Special thanks to my co-conspirator Diesel 62 for all of his help getting things ready for the match and signing for the range. Special thanks to Bolivar for begrudgingly help FPO, SP5WAT and D_GHost for being Butts Officers, and SP5WAT for doing stats.

Place Name Score .Vbulls
1 SP5WAT 340.13
2 Bolivar 340.7
3 Andrew 337.14
4 D_Ghost 335.19
5 Imarco 323.14
6 The Hip 281.1
7 Diesel 62 276.4
8 Crawford 272.12
9 Martin L 211.6
10 Jehrod93 166.1
11 Beaver 158.6
12 Anonymous 110.2
 
2024 Tentative course of Fire, which was used on Aug 24


Match # O1 RangeType of Target Scoring Type of Match # of rds Description Timing
1. 0 200fig 12 hhSighters3-3 sighters from prone-3 min for sighters
- each sighter indicated
1. 1200fig 12 hh

V, 5, 4
Snap10-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt kneeling or squatting 2 shots
-return to standing alert
-2 shots per exposure
-5 x 15 sec exposures
-10 -15 sec between exposures
-left, centre, right

-watch and shoot
1. 2 200fig 11, left
fig 12, right in frame
V,5,4
Rapid10-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt
sitting, kneeling or squatting
-5 shots on each tgt
-1 x 60 sec exposure

-watch and shoot
1. 3200fig 11 hh

V, 5, 4
Mover5- start from last position
- 1 shot per exposure
-5 x 6 sec exposures
-random, left or right
-10 - 15 sec between expos
-watch and shoot
1. 4 200
100
fig 12 hh


V, 5, 4
Rundown
Snap
10-start from last position
-when tgt appears move to 100,
load/ready on arrival
-1st exposure, 1 shot standing,
adopt kneeling or squatting,
-2nd exposure, 1 shot from position
-repeated 5 times
-return to standing alert between
-1 x 1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
-5 x sets of :
up for 3 sec
down for 5 sec
up for 3 sec

-each set left, centre, right
-10 - 15 sec between sets
-watch and move


Match # O2 Range Type of Target Scoring Type of Match # of rds Description Timing
2. 0 300fig 12 hhSighters3-3 sighters from prone-3 min for sighters
-each sighter indicated
2. 1 300fig 12 hh

V, 5, 4
Snap10-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt prone
-2 shot per exposure
-5 x 15 sec exposures
-10 -15 sec between exposures
-left, centre, right
2. 2 300fig 11, left fig 12, right in frameRapid10-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt prone
-5 shots on each tgt
-1 x 60 second exposure

-watch and shoot
2. 3 300fig 11 hh

V, 5, 4
Mover5-start prone
-1 shot per exposure
-5 x 6 sec exposures
-random, left or right
-10 - 15 sec between expos
-watch and shoot
2. 4 300
200
100
fig 12 hh

V, 5, 4
Rundown Multiposition
Snap

5
5
-from unloaded prone
-tgt appear move to 200 load/ready on arrival,
standing, fire 1 shot
-then 1 shot from :
-kneeling
-prone
-kneeling
-standing
-tgt reappears move to 100 repeat
-1 x 1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
-5 x 3 sec exposure
-down for 30 sec
-1x1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
-5 x 3 sec exposure
-left, centre, right
-10 - 15 sec between expos
-watch, move and shoot


Match # O3 Range Type of Target Scoring Type of Match # of rds Description Timing
3. 0 500fig 12
4’ in frame
Sighters3-3 sighters from prone-3 min for sighters
-each sighter indicated
3. 1500fig 12
4’ in frame

V, 5, 4, 3
Rapid10-start standing alert
-tgts appears adopt prone
-5 shots on each tgt
-1 x 60 sec exposure

-watch and shoot
3. 2 500
400
300
fig 11 hh

V, 5, 4
Rundown 1
Snap

2
2
-start unloaded prone
-tgt appears move to 400, on arrival load/ready, prone fire 2 shots
- unload
- when tgt appears move to 300, on arrival load/ready, prone
-2 shot per snap exposure
-1 x 1 sec flash
- down for 45 sec
-2 x 3 sec exposure
- down for 30 sec
-1 x 1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
- 2 x 3 sec exposure
-10 - 15 sec between expos

-watch, move and shoot
3. 3 300
200
100
fig 12 hh

V, 5, 4
Rundown 2
Mover

2
5
-start unloaded prone
-tgt appears move to 200, on arrival load/ready, sitting/knelling, fire 2 shots
-unload
- when tgt appears move to 100, on arrival load/ready, standing
-1 shot per moving exposure
-1 x 1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
- 2 x 3 sec exposure
-down for 30 sec
- 1 x 1 sec flash
-down for 45 sec
-5 x 6 sec exposures
-random, left or right
-10 - 15 sec between expos


-watch, move and shoot
 
August 24 Scores

Thank you to our 12 shooters and staff for helping bring Service Rifle back in Ontario. I can't believe it's been 5 years since we did run-downs on Mons range. Special thanks to my co-conspirator Diesel 62 for all of his help getting things ready for the match and signing for the range. Special thanks to Bolivar for begrudgingly help FPO, SP5WAT and D_GHost for being Butts Officers, and SP5WAT for doing stats.

Place Name Score .Vbulls
1 SP5WAT 340.13
2 Bolivar 340.7
3 Andrew 337.14
4 D_Ghost 335.19
5 Imarco 323.14
6 The Hip 281.1
7 Diesel 62 276.4
8 Crawford 272.12
9 Martin L 211.6
10 Jehrod93 166.1
11 Beaver 158.6
12 Anonymous 110.2
Really appreciate all the effort that was put in to making this happen. Looking forward to more! Congratulations to the winner!
 
Maybe not the best thread to ask in, but any idea how fast the average participant runs?

I really want to enter Octobers Match, but I'm old, and can't run all that fast these days. Will I be expected to keep up so to speak, or just loose time shooting?
 
It's 100 yards in 45 seconds. Running isn't really required, it's a jog. You need to be able to get up from prone, "run" 100 yards" and get ready in standing alert for targets to appear.

If you run at 5.8 miles per hour (9.33 km/h) that gives you 5 seconds to get up, 35 seconds to "run" and 5 seconds to get ready on arrival. Conveniently, jogging usually falls in the 4 to 6 mile an hour range.

If you are not at the next distance when the targets appear, you will not be able to shoot at them, and would sacrifice points.
 
It's 100 yards in 45 seconds. Running isn't really required, it's a jog. You need to be able to get up from prone, "run" 100 yards" and get ready in standing alert for targets to appear.

If you run at 5.8 miles per hour (9.33 km/h) that gives you 5 seconds to get up, 35 seconds to "run" and 5 seconds to get ready on arrival. Conveniently, jogging usually falls in the 4 to 6 mile an hour range.

If you are not at the next distance when the targets appear, you will not be able to shoot at them, and would sacrifice points.
Good news, I can do that, no CPR will be required...
 
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