Open carry

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I am not being sarcastic or smart ass or anything like that - just looking for enlightenment.

What is the big deal with concealed carry? Why not open carry? I know there are a couple of states in the US that allow it.

Is it harder or easier to get open carry? Is it better for the public to have concealed carry?

What would you be more comfortable with - not just you carrying but also with the rest of the populous carrying?

Inquiring minds need to know.
 
Open carry.

There is a good chance you will be targeted first. You need to have better situational awareness and change your habits. Draw will be quicker. In some States where there are restrictions to where you can can carry, people will know you are breaking the law unintentionally.

Also gets a bad rap because people use crappy holsters instead of a nice level 2 or 3 rentention holster. The other positive is people get use to seeing firearms.

Conceal carry is nice because you have the element of surprise. But it is also less comfortable.
 
You know how’s this country founded?! This founded by some ass licking royalist party who used to be an American. The leftist liberals are in their blood! They were the ass licking which their queen already didn’t care about them. Without American and all the nature resources this fking place is a third world country! Stop calling it a “Democracy country”, such words make me sick!
 
You know how’s this country founded?! This founded by some ass licking royalist party who used to be an American. The leftist liberals are in their blood! They were the ass licking which their queen already didn’t care about them. Without American and all the nature resources this fking place is a third world country! Stop calling it a “Democracy country”, such words make me sick!

Well that escalated quickly...
 
you know how’s this country founded?! This founded by some ass licking royalist party who used to be an american. The leftist liberals are in their blood! They were the ass licking which their queen already didn’t care about them. Without american and all the nature resources this fking place is a third world country! Stop calling it a “democracy country”, such words make me sick!

wow
 
Open carry is better IMHO because it allows a level III retention holster. The Safariland 6360 (and others too) was actually designed with decades of experience from officer involved shootings in mind. They learned directly from officers, deputies and federal agents all over N.A., a few other places and even the EU pitched in. Not many concealed holsters have active retention. Some can allow a weapon light but some CC holsters don't. Granted, some do but they are far too few. If the suspect gets the drop on you? You better have a lightning fast draw. Otherwise they are going to get your gun right out of the friction only holster. Now you've got problems on top of problems.

OC allows a full size handgun + a weapon light. Assuming mags are also deregulated? Most full size handguns are running 13 rounds plus. Full size barrel is better for terminal ballistics. Yes is there is ammunition that WILL expand reliably out of a compact or even a subcompact but after spending some time on lucky gunner looking at their results? Not many rounds performed very well out of a subcompact. HST was one of the few that passed the test.

There is also a much lower risk (READ: yes there is ALWAYS a risk) of having an N.D. with a holster that has a proper spacer (distance between the actual holster and your body) with it. Less chance of it getting caught on the clothing (assuming everything is tucked in properly, proper care is taken, etc.) and having a problem snagging on something either drawing when your life is in dire peril or when it's time to reholster the weapon. It's easier to retain the firearm when the holster it's in is actually helping you to retain it. That's why the 6360 is well designed. You actually can't release the weapon if you pull up first (i.e. in a struggle). The ALS part of the system locks on the trigger guard. If you pull up before releasing the latch? It creates a friction point and seizes up the mechanism (that was intentional by the designers) to stop the suspect from getting the gun out. Yes, they can pull the hood down (the first of the 2 mechanisms) but its harder to get the latch released (the 2nd mechanism) to get it out when someone is pulling up on the gun. The hood guard actually counters any attempt to grab the hood lock from the front.

A lot of CC holsters have clips which attach to the belt. These need to be replaced frequently or at least checked for wear and tear. Messing around with a shirt is the LAST thing you want to do when someone has a knife to your throat and they got you by the shirt. No chance to get to it which defeats the point of carrying anything in the first place.

If it's done properly? OC isn't a problem. As long as you're dressed properly, personable, polite, etc. and not being a CoD ninja about it. Regardless of CC or OC? You still gotta pay attention to everything going on around you. Keep that head on a swivel.
 
Personally I like concealedish carry. I don’t think there is a lot of value in advertising you are armed however I don’t think it is reasonable someone can cause you grief if your gun is showing.

See people who open carry with some regularity in Arizona when I am down there
 
I prefer CCW (have done both)


CCW adds to the element of surprise. You are not advertising being armed and are not painting yourself as a potential target.
Confort wise: pick a gun that fits your frame and invest in a quality holster and it can be somewhat confortable.

Appendix carry is the only way I use now but I’ve done 4 oclock carry as well but cant do it anymore due to some loss of motion range in my shoulders.
 
Open carry is better IMHO because it allows a level III retention holster. The Safariland 6360 (and others too) was actually designed with decades of experience from officer involved shootings in mind. They learned directly from officers, deputies and federal agents all over N.A., a few other places and even the EU pitched in. Not many concealed holsters have active retention. Some can allow a weapon light but some CC holsters don't. Granted, some do but they are far too few. If the suspect gets the drop on you? You better have a lightning fast draw. Otherwise they are going to get your gun right out of the friction only holster. Now you've got problems on top of problems.

OC allows a full size handgun + a weapon light. Assuming mags are also deregulated? Most full size handguns are running 13 rounds plus. Full size barrel is better for terminal ballistics. Yes is there is ammunition that WILL expand reliably out of a compact or even a subcompact but after spending some time on lucky gunner looking at their results? Not many rounds performed very well out of a subcompact. HST was one of the few that passed the test.

There is also a much lower risk (READ: yes there is ALWAYS a risk) of having an N.D. with a holster that has a proper spacer (distance between the actual holster and your body) with it. Less chance of it getting caught on the clothing (assuming everything is tucked in properly, proper care is taken, etc.) and having a problem snagging on something either drawing when your life is in dire peril or when it's time to reholster the weapon. It's easier to retain the firearm when the holster it's in is actually helping you to retain it. That's why the 6360 is well designed. You actually can't release the weapon if you pull up first (i.e. in a struggle). The ALS part of the system locks on the trigger guard. If you pull up before releasing the latch? It creates a friction point and seizes up the mechanism (that was intentional by the designers) to stop the suspect from getting the gun out. Yes, they can pull the hood down (the first of the 2 mechanisms) but its harder to get the latch released (the 2nd mechanism) to get it out when someone is pulling up on the gun. The hood guard actually counters any attempt to grab the hood lock from the front.

A lot of CC holsters have clips which attach to the belt. These need to be replaced frequently or at least checked for wear and tear. Messing around with a shirt is the LAST thing you want to do when someone has a knife to your throat and they got you by the shirt. No chance to get to it which defeats the point of carrying anything in the first place.

If it's done properly? OC isn't a problem. As long as you're dressed properly, personable, polite, etc. and not being a CoD ninja about it. Regardless of CC or OC? You still gotta pay attention to everything going on around you. Keep that head on a swivel.

Fantasy Island must be fun.

CCW>OC
 
You know how’s this country founded?! This founded by some ass licking royalist party who used to be an American. The leftist liberals are in their blood! They were the ass licking which their queen already didn’t care about them. Without American and all the nature resources this fking place is a third world country! Stop calling it a “Democracy country”, such words make me sick!

9 posts, one too many.
 
I conceal carry every day, every where I go. I was one of the first thirteen people to teach Conceal Carry here in WI. I taught for WI Carry and there were no fees to get a valid CCW permit except what the State charged, $50.00.
I also sometimes open carry.
Their are a plethora of different CC holsters and I have found many that work and you don't even know you have one on. I tried a CC holster for a Colt Govt. model .45 and it was like having a splint for a broken leg. That got pitched bad=ck in the drawer. I use a open carry holster for the .45 and it works great.
Most semi autos with a 3-4" barrel work just fine concealed with no problems. the same with revolvers.
I don't use holsters with a level of retention as I use leather holsters and when their on you have belt snugged and their tight in the holster.
It takes a while to break a holster in and when they are they are comfortable and easy to use.
If you have any questions I will try to help.
 
You're gonna have to do better than that.

Hes not wrong

OC should not be illegal any more than CCW should be

The biggest issue with OC, especially in the places were only OC is legal, is there is no "herd immunity" so to speak. And typically a lot of people that OC like fobus and uncle mikes LOL

Lets have a thought experiment for a second. You have to enter a room with 40 people in and steal a cash register or what ever, the task is irrelevant. You have to go in the room and do something and there might be people in each room with guns that don't want you to do it. You have the choice of two rooms:

1) OC is legal CCW illegal
2) CCW is legal OC illegal

Which room are you going into?

With CCW you have to treat everyone as if they have a gun, with OC you know exactly who has one

Shawn
 
OC for rural applications; CCW for urban ones. :)

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That's my general position too. One consideration in some US states that mandate CCW _only_ is that if your sidearm comes into view under any circumstances [wind blows your coat open, your shirt rides up, etc.] you can be legally dinged for 'flashing' a weapon. Optional OC/CC takes this possibility away.

I understand arguments against OC, but I don't see it as a black-and-white issue. When I was in Phoenix a while ago, I saw a guy OC'ing...just a snubby revolver in his jeans back pocket [also wearing some kind of pro-gun t-shirt]. Now that looked a little sketchy, but I was reminded that there might be _many_ people around [I was in a moderately busy grocery store] who were CC'ing as well. Would a bad guy think this way? I don't know, but I think it might be possible.
 
You know how’s this country founded?! This founded by some ass licking royalist party who used to be an American. The leftist liberals are in their blood! They were the ass licking which their queen already didn’t care about them. Without American and all the nature resources this fking place is a third world country! Stop calling it a “Democracy country”, such words make me sick!

You’re free to leave at anytime. Whether anywhere else wants to take you in is a completely different proposition.

To the original question, I’m with the others saying it depends on location and environment. I previously lived in a constitutional carry state where people were free to do either. The OC people were always a little weird, while the CC people.....well, what CC people? I knew that a good percentage were armed, but could never exactly tell who because for the most part they blended very well.

I like to pretend I’d OC in the sticks but I won’t lie, I probably wouldn’t do either. When I had the chance I never felt the need or desire, so didn’t. I would love to be able to take my handguns to open land and shoot though....one can dream.
 
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