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I'm getting into open pretty soon. I looking at 9major vs 38 super/ super comp. Is the cheap plentiful brass the only reason to shoot 9 major or are there any other advantages? And is it worth paying all that money on 38 super brass. Which is more reliable... all info would be appreciated

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major advantage of the Supers is the choice of powders you can use, because of the limited volume capacity of the 9, finding a good load that makes major and the same time maximize the comp. is a challenge,. right now I"m using AA#7 ( 9.7 grs) for my 9 major and still have lots of room in the case. If you dont mind picking up your brass or spend a little more then the Supers will be the best choice.
Reliability- As long as the gun is built properly, both will run fine.
 
Dunno if this plays into your decision or not Carl, but it's always good to know all the info.

In the last three years, we sell approx. ten 9mm major raceguns to every one 38 super.
 
thanks guys . I guess 9mm is more practical then.

And Sean I'll be talking to you as soon as I get some funds together.
 
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One last thing, Are the DVC open guns reliable out of the box?? I've read horror stories about other 2011 open guns being a Pita to get to run well

Thanks
 
carlchevalier said:
One last thing, Are the DVC open guns reliable out of the box?? I've read horror stories about other 2011 open guns being a Pita to get to run well

Thanks
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I can only speak to our experience. We only ever had one come back - it was for something minor that I'm 99% sure the owner tried to tune himself and screwed up. It was fixed in a day and ready to go out again.

Naturally, we expect people that have issues to come back to us and we'll help them, but sometimes people just want to complain and let their buddy/gun butcher go at it.:(

Another issue that is out there... ammo. Unfortunately we have to rely on the reloading prowess of the purchaser to ensure reliability since 9mm major isn't commercially available. As a friend of mine once said, "they don't sell ferraris and have to rely on the owner to brew their own gas." Well, with race guns - they do.

Finally if a DVC Open came from us and it has a problem - we'll stand behind it and get it fixed asap and at no cost to the purchaser.
 
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I can only speak to our experience. We only ever had one come back - it was for something minor that I'm 99% sure the owner tried to tune himself and screwed up. It was fixed in a day and ready to go out again.

Naturally, we expect people that have issues to come back to us and we'll help them, but sometimes people just want to complain and let their buddy/gun butcher go at it.:(

Another issue that is out there... ammo. Unfortunately we have to rely on the reloading prowess of the purchaser to ensure reliability since 9mm major isn't commercially available. As a friend of mine once said, "they don't sell ferraris and have to rely on the owner to brew their own gas." Well, with race guns - they do.

Finally if a DVC Open came from us and it has a problem - we'll stand behind it and get it fixed asap and at no cost to the purchaser.
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Certainly understand the reloading thing. Had a problem with my Edge that turned out to be a problem with my reloading.

Thanks Sean
 
Price of brass plane and simple. If you can afford super comp , bestway to go. Extracts more consistently , less mag issues over 9 major ( if shooting in the states ). Better gas use of the comp.
 
Powder choice is no longer a limiting factor for 9 major.

I just took my .38 SC load (9.3gr of VV 3N38) and put it into a 9mm (OAL of 1.135). No issues what so ever. No difference in feel either.

If the gun is tuned correctly, there really isn't any issues with extraction. The only advantage of .38SC over 9mm (and .38 Super) is that you can possibly get one extra round in a big stick mag.

I do know my shooting improved because now I just focus on the shooting and social aspect of the sport rather than worrying about my brass.
 
9.3 grs of 3N38 on a 9mm brass?, the max I can load to the 9brass is 8.9grs without spilling some powders and maintening a my OAL of 1.170"
 
9mm has no advantage over 38 super except for the cost of the brass which many consider significant. Most larger matches are lost brass. So in a big shoot you would lose 100$ worth of 38 super brass vs 10$ of 9mm brass. Over the course of a season it adds up. Action shooting is an expensive hobby hotels, meals match fee so I think folks try to save a bit where they can.
 
ffgats said:
9.3 grs of 3N38 on a 9mm brass?, the max I can load to the 9brass is 8.9grs without spilling some powders and maintening a my OAL of 1.170"
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Maybe my scale is off? All i know is I didn't touch the powder drop dial from my .38SC setting when I switched to 9mm.

Made 176pf at the 2016 Nats with 124gr FMJs.
 
8.8 gr was load for the 3N38, and it was full, very little room for the bullet to seat, becasuse my bbl has 2 ports I'm can only do 164 PF which okay for IPSC, not USPSA. Without the ports, it should make major with no problem.
 
The only advantage of 9mm major is the brass cost and easier to resell.

38 supercomp has a much larger case capacity which lets you use a slower burning powder that can work the comp even better. Supercomp brass typically has far fewer magazine issues as the case wall is flat while 9mm is tapered and tends to nose dive as you put more rounds in the magazine. This is a bigger issue if you compete outside of Canada and can run more than 10 rounds. Since just about all Supercomp brass is Starline, you get more consistent ejection and extraction. 9mm brass varies wildly so more tuning is required.

Keep in mind the 38 Super uses different brass than Super comp. Super brass has a rim which means one less round in a big stick and also some bullet stacking issues in high capacity magazines.

If you are not super serious about competition, the 9mm major will suit your needs just fine. If you are very serious and want the best, go 38 supercomp. You are going to see that most of the top competitors in the world run supercomp.
 
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