optimum barrel length?

If your shooting a 223 max perforance 30.5"/1/7 twist for 90gr & 80gr There is a group on Ottawa all shooting 223 one fellow made a 32" and with identical load same brass, primers & powder the 32 is slower than the 30" as well the guys with 28" are slower not by much 10 to 15 fps per inch
Like Maynard said about the .308 how the lenght of barrel changes the speed is correct but its much smaller in the 223 rem
best twist for .308 on testing we have done 155gr bullets 1/13 T
1/12 works well also and you can go to 175gr+, some fellows are using 1/11 Twists and 1/10 for the 180gr to 210gr bullets.
There is a big differance shooting 155gr and 200+ gr in recoil
manitou

Gives you an idea of how specific and specialised ANY competitor is going to be within their discipline.

And yes, some shooters will take it a bit further and spec a twist based on the atmospheric conditions they will face in a big match.

Saying something is ideal without qualification of WHAT they will be using with it, is not giving any customer the full picture.

One size has NEVER fit all.
Jerry

PS manitou, I am not able to test the heavies in the 308 but am very interested in hearing more feedback on how these are working in competition vs the lighter 30cal slugs vs the 223/90's. F TR is getting very interesting.
 
so if i understand correctly what you are mainly looking for is maximum velocity for the barrel length you have and consistency in your ammo load?

The short answer is "sort of".

Like Maynard mentioned, although his barrel is capable of delivering velocities of 3000 fps + with a 155gr bullet he gets his best results when he loads to around 2950 which is pretty common for that bullet. As Rman stated, there are usually several nodes, or velocities that a given weight bullet tend to be more accurate at.

Rman was correct in his statement that "barrel length has sweet fack all to do with accuracy", at least directly. The proof of that statement are all the BR shooters using 20" super heavy contour barrels at 100-200m to shoot groups barely larger than their bullet diameter. Where barrel length matters is that it is a significant contibutor to generating velocity, and having that velocity available to you can be helpful in being able to access higher nodes.

Where it gets trickier is when you start talking about accuracy at long range. In order to retain accuracy at long range you need to ensure that your bullet stays supersonic out past the distance you are shooting. This is important because when the bullet starts to slow down and go transonic the airflows around it change, leading to instability, and unpredictable accuracy.

The challenge that TR and F-Class shooters have is trying to find the accuracy node(s) above the muzzle velocity that will ensure the bullet stays supersonic at 900m, and a longer barrel is one of the things that helps make this possible. It may not be the absolute fastest that the gun is capable of, but it could very well be faster than a shorter barrel is capable of delivering.

Jerry: I'm having a barrel chambered to shoot the 200gr Hybrids (Broughton 5C 30" 10 twist), and I shoot quite often with Manitou and the Ottawa 223/90gr contingent so between us we should be able to provide you with some unbiased feedback and range reports. I've only tried a handful through my 26" 12 twist factory tube, but the results looked pretty promising with both Varget and RL17. I've also got some of the 185s to try too, which might be the ticket because I can already tell the 200s are going to beat the crap out of me.

Scott
 
Competitive shooters are going to maximize their rifle for any set of rules or task.

I completely agree, to extract the full potential of a competition rifle you will see longer barrel lengths. For the exact purpose of making the flatest shooting and most efficient target rig it makes sense.

My advice was given to me for the "average" precision shooter using standard mid-heavy for cartridge projectiles. Not you F/TR guys that NEED ever joule of energy to be put into potential speed to buck wind. Probably falling under the "Tactical" group, to be able to extract the best of the available powder technology for the more common mid-heavy projectile choices this advice made sense to me. Also, if you are buying off the shelf a shorter heavy barrel will be less "likely" to be upset by harmonics being shorter and stiffer.

This article is one of many I have found on the subject.

http://www.sniperschool.com/sniper-rifle-barrel-length

Not everyone shoots F/TR
 
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