Original mosin pu vs fake (repro)

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Hey folks. I love my mosin PU repro. The optics are clear, appear to hold zero and are all around great fun to use.

My question is to anyone who used an original PU and a repro.

How do the repro's compare? (clarity/build quality/zeroing).
 
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I realize the collector value of an original. One can't argue with the history behind a piece that could have been used in a world war.

I'm more looking towards performance comparison. Not the value :) - and for what it's worth, I'd love an original.
 
I just have to get involved into this post. Majority of the one that for sale from Poland and Ukraine are repro. Remember that you can not use original scope for shooting. If you do use it will fall apart after a few shoots. The seals that are in scopes that were made in 194x are made from cork. This cork is so fragile after that many years that it will break apart after few shoots unless it was very good preserved or if the seal was replaced. So if you want to use real original scope from that era I advise you to be careful.

Cheers
 
I just have to get involved into this post. Majority of the one that for sale from Poland and Ukraine are repro. Remember that you can not use original scope for shooting. If you do use it will fall apart after a few shoots. The seals that are in scopes that were made in 194x are made from cork. This cork is so fragile after that many years that it will break apart after few shoots unless it was very good preserved or if the seal was replaced. So if you want to use real original scope from that era I advise you to be careful.

Cheers

Great advice! Im currently using the repro I bought from you. Excellent rifle.
 
I have an original and a repro.

The original was purchased from Wheaty. He rebuilt an original PU scope/mount and added it to a well used but all original sniper.

Looking at the outside of this thing, it looks like it was dragged for miles, through the mud, snow and gravel. The stock is beat to hell and there isn't a bit of blue left on any surfaces. It's saving grace, is an almost perfect bore.

It has the tell tale serial number on the left side of the chamber area. To my knowledge, all but some of the originals with PE scopes bore these numbers.

In all honesty, I can't find any discernable difference in accuracy between the original and the repro.

At 100m, even with the scopes, the snipers aren't any more accurate than open iron sights.

The difference really starts to show up around 150m-200m. The scoped rifles have the edge.

I have a repro, with the PE scope as well. The PE scope is definitely superior IMHO. The groups are noticeably better at all ranges.

At 200m, using the iron sights on four different rifles, original with PU, repro with PU, repro with PE and LS 91/30, with iron sights, they all shot into around 3 inches, with handloads.

From what I can find on the internet and the books on sniping that I have, the Russians didn't cherry pick or purpose build rifles as snipers. They were taken in batches, indescrimiantly off the assembly line. From what I can see though, all of the rifles I have, use the "high wall" receivers.

Once they were assembled into snipers, they had to pass an accuracy test, not before.

I wonder if the rifles that are being sold as "EX Snipers" that have the filled in mount holes on their receivers are really rejected snipers and not rifles that were sent back for regular infantry use after WWII, because they had to many??? They certainly don't have the extra set of numbers stamped into the left side of the barrel.

Again, from what I can gather and nothing definitive, they didn't get the extra set of serial numbers on the left side of the chamber, until the were passed as acceptable.

After this many years, who is alive that knows for sure anymore???

From one of the quotes of a factory manager, they had to supply thousands of sniper rifles on a steady basis. The quality control wasn't any different for the sniper than the standard issue infantry rifle. There just weren't enough resources or time to spare.

Anyone that has an accurate Model 91 or 91/30 knows how accurate a well maintained Mosin can be. The Finns, supposedly took it a step further. I can't prove that but I have a couple of Finns. The rebuilt SA barreled 91, is almost mint and shoots better than I can.
The Westinghouse, again SA marked, still wears its original barrel and although worn, shoots OK but isn't a tack driver by any means.
 
Interesting thought on the EX snipers,..I just rebuilt a PEM dated 1942 and though I have not run the scope yet,..she shot pretty well with irons,and I hope she'll run better with the optics...
 
I have an original and a repro.

The original was purchased from Wheaty. He rebuilt an original PU scope/mount and added it to a well used but all original sniper....



" I have a repro, with the PE scope as well. The PE scope is definitely superior IMHO. The groups are noticeably better at all ranges."
Tell me more about why the PE is superior in your opinion.
 
Ebay has them from time to time,orginals are a bit pricey,and there are repros too...I have both and they are nice-aside from the Accumounts scope which has a centered recticle and does not move unlike the orginals.....PE vs PU,..hmmmmm...the PE is a 4x,PU is 3.5x, PE has a better field of view..Both will do the job...
 
Interesting thought on the EX snipers,..I just rebuilt a PEM dated 1942 and though I have not run the scope yet,..she shot pretty well with irons,and I hope she'll run better with the optics...

Did you get your PEM/mount off EBay? What did you do in rebuilding it? An earlier post mentions the possibility of the seals deteriorating in original PUs. Thanks.
 
PE is easier to focus, much heavier mounting system, brighter and less paralax than the PU, at both close and extended ranges. I get along with the cross hairs better than the post reticle.

From the books I've read, the Soviet snipers preferred the PE over the PU as well.

Understand, I'm talking about shooting from a bench as well. Under field conditions, things migh be different.

The main reason the Soviets went to the PU and later the Axis went to the Zf4 style, was because they were quick, easy and cheap to produce, as well as giving acceptable accuracy at most ranges.

As I mentioned, the rifles were all virtually identical for accuracy, out to 100 yds with iron sights. Again from the bench. All were loaded with the same hand load recipe.

Of course my test isn't by any means definitive but if the Soviet snipers preferred the PE to the PU, they must have had a good reason. After all, their lives depended on every advantage they could get.



I have an original and a repro.

The original was purchased from Wheaty. He rebuilt an original PU scope/mount and added it to a well used but all original sniper....



" I have a repro, with the PE scope as well. The PE scope is definitely superior IMHO. The groups are noticeably better at all ranges."
Tell me more about why the PE is superior in your opinion.
 
This morning was very cold here, -25c so i took the scope off my svt sniper and let him sit for fews hours outside and then bring it back inside to see if would fog inside the lenses. After getting at room temperature, both lenses were perfectly clear. I dont know the condition of the seals inside or if they are even there but the scope seems still fine for a 1941. No rework stamp on it. I will know better when i use the rifle to see if something come loose inside.
Jocelyn
 
This morning was very cold here, -25c so i took the scope off my svt sniper and let him sit for fews hours outside and then bring it back inside to see if would fog inside the lenses. After getting at room temperature, both lenses were perfectly clear. I dont know the condition of the seals inside or if they are even there but the scope seems still fine for a 1941. No rework stamp on it. I will know better when i use the rifle to see if something come loose inside.
Jocelyn

This is my experience as well. I have never heard of these old scopes breaking a seal. I don't think it is a common phenomenon.
 
I wonder if the rifles that are being sold as "EX Snipers" that have the filled in mount holes on their receivers are really rejected snipers and not rifles that were sent back for regular infantry use after WWII, because they had to many??? They certainly don't have the extra set of numbers stamped into the left side of the barrel.

I have one from Westrifle with the plugged holes that does have the serial # on the side. It is by far the most accurate of all my Mosins. The trigger is a lot smoother also which makes me wonder if whoever had it before refurb did some work to it. It also has a couple of weird dimpled dots near the serial # that I've never seen on any other Mosin. I've been trying to determine if they have anything to do with this whole sniper thing.
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