ORPS Adjusting shot to shot

[Dahsira]

I'm very new to shooting all together and have really enjoyed the last couple ORPS matches. I was even able to place 2nd in production class for September This talk about ORPS optics has got me thinking I may be approaching holdovers wrong.

So here's a situation - I'm shooting prone at 100yards. I have good dope that I'm confident in but I'm shooting at a 1.5 inch target. I know that this is about the limits of what my gun and ammo is capable of. I see my miss splash in the berm just high of the target.

Do I adjust my follow up shot to get it on target or do I assume that shot was a flier or otherwise user error and focus on executing the next shot as perfectly as possible? OR

Do I use my reticle to note where it splashed down and focus my follow up shot at the new aimpoint?

How does the stablity of your position affect this choice? What about the number of follow up shots (3 more shots regardless of hits or must hit to advance type situation)

Tell me how you approach these types of situations and what your reasons are for your approach.

Edit - obviously I placed 2nd in September's OPRS not October's lol

 

[Voshay]

Congrats on 2nd. These matches are loads of fun, I've participated in 4 or 5 of them this year. If you have confidence in your dope I would trust it to be right. I got really frustrated in one match earlier this summer on a stage with a 25 yd KYL rack. My first shot missed and I thought I saw where it went... long story short I fired 6 times trying to figure out where my shots were going before just returning to zero and scoring 2 points (8 shot stage). Have faith in your settings and adjust for weather (mostly wind) as you see necessary.

 

[Mystic Precision]

congrats on your 2nd place.. all of your questions will be proven by you in testing... and practise and testing and practise.

KNOW what the accuracy limits of your rifle and ammo is at various distances. If the ammo you use tosses flyers, use different/better ammo. If the rifle is not consistent enough, fix it or replace it. If the scope doesn't keep the same zero or tracking is irratic, get a better optic. The performance of your rifle is within your control so make it the best it can be (functionally, not necessarily price)

KNOW what POI change occurs as you change positions... then practise so there isn't one... yes, it is possible to be neutral.

KNOW your cone of wobble in all common positions and how that will affect your accuracy/impact... then make it smaller. paper targets are your friend. You may not like what it says... but it tells the truth and shows what is needed to improve.

Then we can focus on what your real question is... what was the wind doing?

And then you have your answer on what to do next.....

Good luck...

Jerry

 

[grauhanen]

Jerry has given excellent advice.

 

[TheWhole9Yards]

congrats on your 2nd place.. all of your questions will be proven by you in testing... and practise and testing and practise.

KNOW what the accuracy limits of your rifle and ammo is at various distances. If the ammo you use tosses flyers, use different/better ammo. If the rifle is not consistent enough, fix it or replace it. If the scope doesn't keep the same zero or tracking is irratic, get a better optic. The performance of your rifle is within your control so make it the best it can be (functionally, not necessarily price)

KNOW what POI change occurs as you change positions... then practise so there isn't one... yes, it is possible to be neutral.

KNOW your cone of wobble in all common positions and how that will affect your accuracy/impact... then make it smaller. paper targets are your friend. You may not like what it says... but it tells the truth and shows what is needed to improve.

Then we can focus on what your real question is... what was the wind doing?

And then you have your answer on what to do next.....

Good luck...

Jerry

That's the perfect answer Jerry

 

[sk8snwmx]

congrats on your 2nd place.. all of your questions will be proven by you in testing... and practise and testing and practise.

KNOW what the accuracy limits of your rifle and ammo is at various distances. If the ammo you use tosses flyers, use different/better ammo. If the rifle is not consistent enough, fix it or replace it. If the scope doesn't keep the same zero or tracking is irratic, get a better optic. The performance of your rifle is within your control so make it the best it can be (functionally, not necessarily price)

KNOW what POI change occurs as you change positions... then practise so there isn't one... yes, it is possible to be neutral.

KNOW your cone of wobble in all common positions and how that will affect your accuracy/impact... then make it smaller. paper targets are your friend. You may not like what it says... but it tells the truth and shows what is needed to improve.

Then we can focus on what your real question is... what was the wind doing?

And then you have your answer on what to do next.....

Good luck...

Jerry

This ^^^ and congrats on 2nd!

 

[Dahsira]

Wind was basically calm I did not factor it in for that stage.

Great thoughts by Jerry! Specifically POI changes with position changes and reducing cone of wobble with paper targets. Really great ideas on what to work on with myself.

Thanks for all the congrats! It was a good weekend.

The tank trap I did good on. 7 hits. Missed my first shot at 75. Didn't adjust parallax and that was a mistake. Adjusted and nailed second attempt. Missed 2nd shot at the 1" KYL target. That one was honestly confusing. Was very surprised when it didn't spin. Then the very last shot I got flustered and took a second shot at the second target instead of the third KYL target. Could definitely pick up a point or two on this stage.

Mapleseed Stage.

Got flustered with adjusting my sling, thought I was short on time and rushed the sitting shots. Only got 3 hits on this stage. I am capable of 6 or 7 here. Turns out my dope was also off, I adjusted my turrets but did not check the holdover in Ballistic Arc app. I was 0.6 mils off

Bucket Stage. Thought I had a good plan for this, the difference between practicing on buckets on cement was drastically different than on grass. Also still hadn't discovered the 0.6 mils off error. Only 3 hits

Prone stage. Discovered my dialing error. Missed 1st shot. I was dialed for 50 (my plan for the 2nd and 3rd parts of the stage) and didn't hold over. 2nd part is where I was mentally thinking of adjusting my holdover based on the first shot miss. Messed with my head.
1 hit.
Calmed down and took a mental break before cleaning all 6 targets for the 3rd part. 7 hits

Ladder stage. Practice was terrible with this. Thought I would be doing good to get 5 hits. I got 5 hits and misses twice at the smaller target.

250 points total. Plan for next match.
Need to work on holdovers. Written dope on armband so I'm not trying to rely on my phone during a match. Practice on non concrete when possible.

Also gonna see what kind of POI shift I have with position changes and see if I can reduce my cone of wobble

 

[horseman2]

Under calm conditions, when the POI is not as anticipated, follow up with the same Point of Aim.
After that it is your call. Was it a faulty round or was their an unexpected puff of wind. Same point of impact but do you want to make that adjustment
Then you have a dilemma . . . a hard call none of like to make . . . the nut that holds the gun or the jerk the pulled the trigger.

I had a round of Eley Match and the sound was muffled. The shooter next to me said, "What the hell was that?"
Thinking there was a possibility the round failed to clear the muzzle.buy there was a bullet hole in the 100 spot directly below the target I was aiming at (BR50/ARA Target). The next shot was made without any adjustments and was where it was supposed to be.

 

[rgv]

Two things to remember;

Never miss the same way twice.

and,

Always believe the bullet.

These two rules presume that you can call your shot and that you are familiar with the mechanical accuracy of your rifle and ammo.

If you miss a plate that is stretching the mechanical accuracy of your rifle/ammo combo and you called a good trigger break, you have to assume that either that bullet was on the outside of the ‘cone’ or that the wind pushed you off. Either way I would not apply a full correction nor would I repeat the same hold. In your example, if the bullet missed just over the plate, I would hold midway between the center of the plate and the bottom edge.

Applying full corrections without considering bullet dispersion leads to missing on one side then the other for an entire string.

The stability of your position is not relevant provided you can consistently call the shot and your follow through fundamentals are letting you watch the bullet (if over 150 yards or so) and/or see the impact.
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