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Bottom barrel dinged the primer but it did not fire. Put the shell in top barre (never waste shells!). Broke clay with bottom barrel. Opened action with barrels pointing in safe direction. Right hand covered ejecting shells when top barrel fired when exiting chamber. OUCH! This was one to 2 minutes after primer lightly hit. 20231014_164355.jpg
 

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And for years I still have people asking me why I wear safety glasses at all times at the range
 
WOWSERS !!!!! That's unreal !! esp 2 minutes after the fact. We always allow like 20-30 seconds for the hang fires...sometimes less when we get complacent...pull it out and chuck it in the "other" barrel and retry it.

This is a great reminder of the real world chit ! ..it definitely will give me pause on my next hang fire.

Thanks for posting and sharing....Kevin
 
I guess an ungloved hand shouldn't have been behind that shell, even when ejecting. I probably would have done the same. Something to remember. Glad it wasn't worse.
 
Glad your not hurt worse!
When hang fires were so heavily criticized by the crown in a fairly recent murder trial, I always wondered why the defence didn't bring up that it is taught in gun safety. If not real, why is it in the curriculum?
 
I'm thinking this might solve a long ago mystery that I and many more had no answer to. Hunting in the late 70's my partner had a model 37 Ithaca ,we had a single mallard come in ,he up and click no bang ,jacked the shell out shot the next one picked up the one he had just jacked out put it in the magazine and it went off. Lucky even though it was under some pressure only the primer went off .Damaged the gun and we were at a loss at what happened and mostly blamed the gun (primer was hit by something?) ,but yes hangfire answers that riddle.
 
I’m urging my club to get a disposal container.

Ideally, I think the shell should not be handled, but transferred directly to the container.
Container needs thick walls, and be able to contain any flying shot if it detonates the powder.

bdft said:
I've seen many people pull out the unfired shell and look at the primer. Probably not a good idea. Let it lay on the ground for a while.
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And cover it with a metal bucket!
 
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twiki said:
I’m urging my club to get a disposal container.

Ideally, I think the shell should not be handled, but transferred directly to the container.
Container needs thick walls, and be able to contain any flying shot if it detonates the powder.
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I built a Dud container for our range 2 years ago. Talked to the folks at the transfer station (dump) and got an expired 30lb propane tank. Removed the valve, cut a 4" hole where the valve was, and welded a cap on the top of the handle. I also welded a piece of flat bar to the back so it could be screwed to one of the wall posts so no one takes it down range to use it as a target. Easy to drop duds inside, but can't get a hand down inside. Painted it bright red with "Dud Rounds" in big white letters. The steel of one of those tanks is plenty thick enough to contain even rifle rounds going off inside. Last I checked it, the majority of duds in there seems to be 22lr but a little bit of everything has been dropped in there
 
But don’t you have to remove the dud round from your gun by hand to put it in the dud container? The OP’s dud round went off in his hand when he unloaded it from his gun. If your going to eject it from your gun directly into the container then in order to do that you will probably not have your gun pointed down range and will have presented another safety problem. Would you carry the container with you as you move from shooting station to shooting station because if not then your walking around with a loaded gun that could go off even without a finger on the trigger!
Not saying your dud round container is a bad idea but I can see quite a few problems using it.
 
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Yes, all valid points.
In my mind, you break the O/U open, and tip (ideally an extractor, but not sure how an ejector gun would do it) the ‘dud’ right into the bin opening. It falls in, and baffles contain any detonation.
If ejecting, maybe a pair of tongs could pick the dud up.

Alternatively, a metal bucket to cover an ejected dud.
Clear warning signs are helpful.

Falconflyer said:
But don’t you have to remove the dud round from your gun by hand to put it in the dud container? The OP’s dud round went off in his hand when he unloaded it from his gun. If your going to eject it from your gun directly into the container then in order to do that you will probably not have your gun pointed down range and will have presented another safety problem. Would you carry the container with you as you move from shooting station to shooting station because if not then your walking around with a loaded gun that could go off even without a finger on the trigger!
Not saying your dud round container is a bad idea but I can see quite a few problems using it.
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The OP’s experience is a real eye opener for many of us. I’ve watched quite a few shooters do it and I’ve pulled dud rounds out of my gun in a lot less time than the two minutes it took for the OP’s round to go off.
The majority of target guns have ejectors so the only way to remove the round without touching it with you hand would be to eject it. You might be able to eject it into a container but after watching lots of shooters try to hit large empty shell containers with their fired hulls I’d say that getting a loaded round in a bucket that way would be doubtful at best. It seems to me that possibly the safest procedure might be to warn the people close by to step back and eject the round onto the ground then cover it with something, a bucket would be good but a board or piece of plywood would work. Eventually the round would have to be disposed of but I still wouldn’t recommend picking it up by hand.
 
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