Out of the box accuracy

[TimC]

Oddly enough phase one of the Annual personal weapons test for the L1A1 SLR was 20 rds at 100 yards, divide by 4 and that is your group. You were instructed to rest and get up every 5 rounds. that established your POI which gave you the adjustments necessary to shoot a 5 round check group. This was measured and became up to 20 points towards your score.
Now the British deer Society Deer Stalkers Cert level 1 has a written exam up to 300 questions at random on law, species etc. Followed by a 5 rd test. 5 rds into a 4 inch circle on a deer target at 100 yards, prone, bipos allowed.
that is minute of deer.
I posted earlier about out of the box accuracy and it really is a misnomer. Goodwhen first thought of but overused and abused now. I have a Ruger 77mk2VHT that will constantly drill the same hole at 100 yards so it is less than .5moa. It is almost boring until I drill fox and rabbits with it! For a heavy barreled rifle it does what I paid for it to do. My full stocked CZ 550 on the other hand should throw a round or two after 4 or 5 fired being a fully stocked piece but the beauty of it is that it holds probably 1 - 1.5 " at 100 yards. As it never sees a rest or bipod it never will be the tack driver inmy hands that the factory gave it the potential to be but for rapid follow ups and there have been a few of them it is superb. I struggle the day before a stalk over leaving it behind. If my life or a full freezer depended on me I can depend on that. it's a 6.5 swede!

 

[Calum]

As old timers tell me...

Somewhere along the line some folks forgot the basics of practice practice practice with the rifle you are going to be using in the woods.

If you drive your truck off the road on a wet day because you are driving to fast for the conditions...how much of this is the truck?

Also +2 on the 6.5 Swede, IMHO it is a great cartridge.

 

[SuperCub]

I think the OOTBA is more of an indicator of the quality of the manufacture of a particular firearm.

Better quality factory ammo and loading components helps alot as well.


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[Swifty]

My Sako Finnbear 7mm r.m.shoots 1 moa and so does my Remington 721 .270 win..I'am a thinking it's the person doing the shooting that makes the difference.

 

[Gatehouse]

I think the OOTBA is more of an indicator of the quality of the manufacture of a particular firearm.




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Ahh..but this is what I amsaying- Is OOTBA really a measure of quality?

For example, most 710's and Stevens OOTBA will shoot rigth up there with anything else. Probably shoot better than many of the old Pre-64's and custom built Mausers, actually.

But dioes thier OOTBA make them a higher quality fireamr than the Pre- 64's?

 

[SuperCub]

Ahh..but this is what I amsaying- Is OOTBA really a measure of quality?

Ahh ..... But what I was refering to was the quality of MANUFACTURE.

What is quality?? ------> Nice wood? Fine finish? Custom options? Reliability? Accuracy? I think "quality" starts at reliability with accuracy.

Hand fitted is good for a custom gun at great extra cost, but the masses don't have to spend that kind of cash anymore (for accuracy) as the processes for rifle building have improved.


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[Yuri Orlov]

I wonder what the guy behind the counter is going to think when someone asks about a guns ootba!

 

[savagefan]

Greater accuracy off the bench still helps when you're shooting off-hand as the wobble you impart compounds the benched group size. Still no substitute for practice though, that's why we invented gophers.

 

[Claybuster]

My preference would be a rifle that shot 1.5" that had an excellent trigger, a stock that fits and felt like a part of me when I shot it as opposed to a 1" shooter that had a crappy trigger pull and felt like a POS in my hands.

It's not about how accurate a rifle can shoot but how accurately I can shoot the rifle.

 

[Why not?]

My preference would be a rifle that shot 1.5" that had an excellent trigger, a stock that fits and felt like a part of me when I shot it as opposed to a 1" shooter that had a crappy trigger pull and felt like a POS in my hands.

It's not about how accurate a rifle can shoot but how accurately I can shoot the rifle.

Exactly! In fact I would choose a three-inch rifle that I was able to handle well, over a moa one that I couldn't, any day.

Ted

 

[Timo]

Ahh..but this is what I amsaying- Is OOTBA really a measure of quality?

For example, most 710's and Stevens OOTBA will shoot rigth up there with anything else. Probably shoot better than many of the old Pre-64's and custom built Mausers, actually.

But dioes thier OOTBA make them a higher quality fireamr than the Pre- 64's?

Marketing and hype that's all . And I am a sucker for it. Are consumers wiser or more apt to go for hype, marketing and price? Obviously then there is a reason for the 710's existance.
My gun came with a OOTBA and that is not why I bought it. I just got a woody for the wood and kapow! Combine that with a slick AD of the latest Leupold and suddenly I find myself less $2000.00 in the bank account .I am superficial it's a character flaw. LOL


Cheers