Outlaw VS Backpacker

CanadianReich

CanadianReich

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On the assumption that im not too late to grab the outlaw or backpacker at $50 off with the purchase of 10 boxes of those new DA slugs/buckshot........




I want something that will easily fit in most backpacks.

I see the Backpaker has 13inches and Outlaw has 12 inches and both are about the same overall length, which makes me thing the stock of the outlaw is an inch longer than the backpacker.


What I am getting as is, when the guns are broken down, what is the LONGEST part of either gun? this is the determining factor in back-pack ability!



What is total measurement of the stock (from rubber pad to the hing area)



Also, a related question- QUALITY. I've head the backpacker may be more reliable.........but have little to no information.


The Outlaw has external hammers and what appear to be flat headed screws (AAGGR!) while the backpacker has pins..... are those pins easy to punch out or are they roller-pins that NEVER come out (crushed on both ends....). do you ever really need to take them out?

anything come lose or fall off on either model?




side thought:
If we get another batch of outlaws in I think a couple with the barrels length matching the stock length would be nice- they take up the same space in the backpack (ie the longest part of the 2 parts is the limiting factor) but you get more accuracy with that extra inch or two barrel.

backpacker
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outlaw
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Have heard the backpacker has a problem loosing the front bead when using slugs. [The front bead is sometimes drilled straight though into the barrel]

From experience the outlaw can get stuck on opening. Happened a few times with a friends gun after a few hours in poor weather.
 
Never shot a backpacker but I had an outlaw. It was a fun gun, kicked like a horse and had a tendency to shake the fore grip loose after a bit. Maybe some blue locktite would have fixed it but I sold it.
 
mbrown01 said:
Since your expectations are so high, how about not being so cheap and buying a reliable DLASK 870 short model instead of the Chinese model 870?

Plus, how much shorter does the gun REALLY need to be? Oh sorry…. --- "Ouch" --- 18" overall length is too much to meet you your backpack requirements eh?

Where exactly are you backpacking to that the gun needs to be shorter than 18 inches in length broken down?

You fail to make mention of the weight requirements you expect. What is the weight restriction you will consider for your adventure approximately, sorry NutnFancy?
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Wheres he asking anything about 870's? Meh I like mine then again I don't use it for 12ga. Haven't noticed the rail mount and what appears to be a shell in the barrel? Maybe because I got a full rifled 45 ACP adapter in mine. Thats why I went with a 13"

Also hes prolly trying to fit it in one of those nice alum mastercraft cases. Which happens to be shorter then 18".

Mine comes apart in 3 seconds and goes back together just as fast. She is crude built, but I only paid 95$ total for mine. Breaks I'll buy another and have spare parts. I put some felt under the forearm to tighten it up.
 
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Can there be one thread on here without a douche bag? Seriously... grow up.

For $150 I have no complaints... I've brought it on two camping trips this summer and we had some fun with it basting some paper targets. No, its not amazing quality, but again its $150 and it works. Someone posted something about it not taking slugs very well, I only used bird shot and it was fine.

I just got a 12" Grizzly and will be taking it camping this weekend! Looks like its much better quality than the backpacker, but it was twice the price at $300, still cheap... I thought realistically it would be more versatile than a single shot. They generally have very good reviews and Canada ammo is the best, low tax and free shipping.

I looked at the Dlask 870 myself. At $850 its overpriced imo. Are they not just taking a standard $400ish 870, putting a short barrel on it and a tactical forehand? Then adding $450 to the price? Sure it would be the best quality of the three, but no way is it worth $850, with tax and shipping its a $1000 shotgun.
 
I have put over 200 rounds down the tube of my backpacker and have run into minor issues.. broke a lifter spring and wore out the hammer spring. CanAm was great with getting me up and running again, best Customer service in the industry. It is heavy and at the end of the day it is exactly what you pay for.. a H&R topper Chinese clone with a short barrel. I did, overtime and as the budget allowed , build up a 870 with the dlask barrel to eventually replace the DA Backpacker as my hiking firearm. Overall I would buy this short little break action shotgun again if I had a small budget for a hiking/pack shotty.
 
mbrown01 said:
Since your expectations are so high, how about not being so cheap and buying a reliable DLASK 870 short model instead of the Chinese model 870?

Plus, how much shorter does the gun REALLY need to be? Oh sorry…. --- "Ouch" --- 18" overall length is too much to meet you your backpack requirements eh?

Where exactly are you backpacking to that the gun needs to be shorter than 18 inches in length broken down?

You fail to make mention of the weight requirements you expect. What is the weight restriction you will consider for your adventure approximately, sorry NutnFancy?
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No offence, but we generally (and genuinely) try to be nice to one another here on CGN, if it can at all be helped.


Thanks kindly.


And to the OP, one of the things to watch with a pistol-grip-only "backpacker" (though I know you didn't necessarily ask about one) is to try and find one where the break-open lever won't "bite you".
 
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I just got an Outlaw as a fun toy for clients to come and shoot at our range. I really like it just because it's fun to shoot and looks cool.

I wouldn't personally trust it in a bear defense role though. It shoots 6" high with slugs at 20 yards. The forend sometimes pops off after a couple of slug or buckshot shots. The exposed hammers are one more thing to snag or go wrong. The action can be difficult to open after shooting. None of these are desirable qualities for a firearm you trust your life with.

It's a fun gun, not a tough as nails hard working gun. I'll toss it in the truck to sluice grouse with probably, too.
 
Hmm... seems my Outlaw is slightly bigger broken down than a Backpacker? Smallest bit is about 21"
For what it's worth

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I have a backpacker, take it with me when I go hike in the mountains. Got mine at a gun show for $80, it was a retailer reject due to some minor cosmetic deficiencies. the hand guard rattled and was not a tight fit, as well as a hairline crack in the grip.
It shoots bird and buck shot decently out to 30m ish. ive used it for skeet a few times for kicks, surprising did alright. I can't hit a dang thing with slugs, its really hard, tried all different brands, at 50m they are all 8-12" off target and they group inconsistently at that range.
From my experience with it, you can expect to hit things consistently at 25m. But maybe thats just me I'm not really into shotguns, more of a rifle guy.
Although I do like the backpacker because it is very reliable, handy, portable and cool, I still honestly could say that I would not buy another one for $150. (if I stumble upon anouther discounted reject, sure) Its a clumsy and random thing, in my opinion. It works and is a tough little gun, but its doesn't excel at anything, besides getting stuffed into a backpack. It's more of a neat toy if you ask me.

Hunting? in a pinch sure...
Bear Medicine? Maybe, but good luck reloading that when you got a grizzly charging at you. With its effective range, you better bring an extra pair of pants.
Grouse? I'd rather have a 410
Flare Gun? Ive been shooting allot of 12ga flares out of mine. WORKS GREAT! with flares (basically all I use it for now)
Truck Gun? Sure. Mine now resides in my 4x4, due to its size its easy to keep out of sight and mind, its versatile, it shoots flares (y). Its worth always having in the truck if I'm ever bogged down wheeling.

Essentially there are other guns I could fit into a backpack that I would rather have with me in a pinch.
like...
Chiappa Douple badger (22/410 over under) are about $350-400 breaks down to about the same size, I think that a 22 and a 410 are better suited for the backpacking role.
and if you're worried about predators Id say go with takedown 45-70 levergun.

But at the end of the day, any gun is better then no gun, and there isn't really much to compete with the backpacker in its price range. It's cheap, it works, but don't expect much from it.
 
I use my Outlaw as a canoe/backpacking/truck gun. I personally love it. It's ugly as sin, cheap and goes bang everytime I've pulled the trigger(s).
The hammers both work, the triggers both work and neither the stock nor the for end have cracked.
In my mind this makes it perfect for it's role for a multitude of reasons.
-2 Barrels: quick follow up shot if needed.
-External Hammers: If I'm sleeping in bear country and feel the need I can have it loaded in the tent and it is infinitely safe yet immediately available should I need it (unlikely, but like a fire extinguisher in the house I would rather have it and not need it rather then need it and not have it.
-Twin Triggers: No messing around with a barrel selector. If I'm walking around I usually keep birdshot in one tube and buck or slug in the other. Also, if you feel that you absolutely, positively, need something dead now I think there is not much on this earth that will stand up to either a double hit of slugs or 18 pellets our of 00.
-Cheap and Ugly: Not worried about dropping it in the lake, on the ground, or throwing it in the bow of a canoe in the rain.
-Accuracy is "good enough" barrel regulation is terrible but you can kill grouse and squirrels out to 25ish yards no problem.
 
hms11 said:
I use my Outlaw as a canoe/backpacking/truck gun. I personally love it. It's ugly as sin, cheap and goes bang everytime I've pulled the trigger(s).
The hammers both work, the triggers both work and neither the stock nor the for end have cracked.
In my mind this makes it perfect for it's role for a multitude of reasons.
-2 Barrels: quick follow up shot if needed.
-External Hammers: If I'm sleeping in bear country and feel the need I can have it loaded in the tent and it is infinitely safe yet immediately available should I need it (unlikely, but like a fire extinguisher in the house I would rather have it and not need it rather then need it and not have it.
-Twin Triggers: No messing around with a barrel selector. If I'm walking around I usually keep birdshot in one tube and buck or slug in the other. Also, if you feel that you absolutely, positively, need something dead now I think there is not much on this earth that will stand up to either a double hit of slugs or 18 pellets our of 00.
-Cheap and Ugly: Not worried about dropping it in the lake, on the ground, or throwing it in the bow of a canoe in the rain.
-Accuracy is "good enough" barrel regulation is terrible but you can kill grouse and squirrels out to 25ish yards no problem.
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x2. Get the outlaw! and you'll feel soo badass to boot lol
 
hms11 said:
I use my Outlaw as a canoe/backpacking/truck gun. I personally love it. It's ugly as sin, cheap and goes bang everytime I've pulled the trigger(s).
The hammers both work, the triggers both work and neither the stock nor the for end have cracked.
In my mind this makes it perfect for it's role for a multitude of reasons.
-2 Barrels: quick follow up shot if needed.
-External Hammers: If I'm sleeping in bear country and feel the need I can have it loaded in the tent and it is infinitely safe yet immediately available should I need it (unlikely, but like a fire extinguisher in the house I would rather have it and not need it rather then need it and not have it.
-Twin Triggers: No messing around with a barrel selector. If I'm walking around I usually keep birdshot in one tube and buck or slug in the other. Also, if you feel that you absolutely, positively, need something dead now I think there is not much on this earth that will stand up to either a double hit of slugs or 18 pellets our of 00.
-Cheap and Ugly: Not worried about dropping it in the lake, on the ground, or throwing it in the bow of a canoe in the rain.
-Accuracy is "good enough" barrel regulation is terrible but you can kill grouse and squirrels out to 25ish yards no problem.
Click to expand...

x2. Get the outlaw! and you'll feel soo badass to boot lol
 
RobertMcC said:
Wheres he asking anything about 870's? Meh I like mine then again I don't use it for 12ga. Haven't noticed the rail mount and what appears to be a shell in the barrel? Maybe because I got a full rifled 45 ACP adapter in mine. Thats why I went with a 13"

Also hes prolly trying to fit it in one of those nice alum mastercraft cases. Which happens to be shorter then 18".

Mine comes apart in 3 seconds and goes back together just as fast. She is crude built, but I only paid 95$ total for mine. Breaks I'll buy another and have spare parts. I put some felt under the forearm to tighten it up.
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I already own the DA grizzly 870 12 inch

wont fit into my backpack




I want something small to avoid "gun calls" for transporting a long gun legally to and from hunting.........


politicians and police seem to have scared the public into thinking everything is worth a gun call- couple this with subjective firearms laws and non-lawyer police its a system for abuse

ive already been on the bad end of that abuse and would like to have guns that come apart.......... because even having a gun case is enough to get cops all over you ........or wearing camo it seems too these days.

heck, you could be in the middle of a dirt road miles from civilization in the woods too! I've heard this for a fact. gun call for a gun case and camo, in a legal hunting area during a season when hunter's orange was not required.


I need to hunt with stealth...........like a poacher.......even though I am hunting legally and doing nothing wrong, because it is all too common these days to be treated like a criminal for perfectly legal use and transport of firearms by licensed gun owners.


18 inches wont fit in my backpack.

Every time anyone uses a gun for legal purposes they are at risk of being abused by "gun calls" so imo its best to be stealthy.
 
Please note that you cant have a gun - not even a long gun- for defense in Nova Scotia- from anything- not even black bears or coywolves.

"gun ownership is contingent on hunting" (update- i will source this http://www.capebretonpost.com/News/...to-carry-gun-for-protection-against-coyotes/1


exact quote was "Bruce Nunn, a regional manager of enforcement at Natural Resources, said provincial laws say very clearly the possession of firearms in a wildlife habitat is incumbent on hunting."


So if you want to go hiking you need to be hunting.........


defending one's life is a criminal act here, pretty much, even in areas with no 911, no roads, no trails, and lots of wildlife
 
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