P/H 98 mauser magazine feed isues

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I have a Parker Hale 98 mauser in 308Win that has some feeding issues.
When 5 rounds are loaded in the magazine and the bolt is worked it will feed the first round but the second round is not picked up by the bolt. If the cartridge is manipulated then the bolt picks it up and every sucessive round.
Its only the second round that gives trouble.
I thought it might be mag lips that need adjusting but don't know.
On close inspection the cases are sitting low at the rear and at the proper height at the sholder.
What needs to happen?
 
The PH magazines were intended to hold 4 rounds not 5. I have had a dozen or more PH rifles and you can force a 5th round into most of them. Load four rounds only in the clip and I think you will find they feed just fine.
 
There is no forcing envolved with putting the 5th round in the magazine. The Parker Hale is an unmodified 98 mauser, which takes 5 rounds so why would Parker hale change to a 4 round mag?
 
If the model of Parker Hale you have is built on a surplus Mauser action then the suggestion that was made by Rokoro doesn't apply. If the rifle is a commercial action and has a detachable box magazine, then the mag was intended to hold 4 rounds.
I too have had many Parker Hale rifles over the years and any of the 1200C series (detachable mag) were only loaded with 4 rounds. I have seen the magazine springs get lazy and have to be replaced or stretched. Do you know if the magazine lips were ever monkeyed with or has the magazine latch been modified?
 
kamlooky said:
How does it work if you toss one in the chamber, then install the four loaded clip/magazine?
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Its a CRF mauser 98. And if you toss a round in the chamber and try to close the action on it it is a B*#€h to try and put into battery. The extractor claw is on a solid ring on the bolt not a spring loaded 'C' type ring
 
Trying to close the bolt on a chambered round is a good way to break a Mauser extractor. (Don't ask me how I know this....)

It is a "controlled feed" extractor. It pickups up the round that feed in from the bottom, under the claw.

It can be modified to close on a chambered round, but I think Mr. Mauser had right.
 
gunrunner100 said:
If the model of Parker Hale you have is built on a surplus Mauser action then the suggestion that was made by Rokoro doesn't apply. If the rifle is a commercial action and has a detachable box magazine, then the mag was intended to hold 4 rounds.
I too have had many Parker Hale rifles over the years and any of the 1200C series (detachable mag) were only loaded with 4 rounds. I have seen the magazine springs get lazy and have to be replaced or stretched. Do you know if the magazine lips were ever monkeyed with or has the magazine latch been modified?
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The mag lips apear to fit pretty tight into the reciever so I would think no to monkeying....however the follower has been tweeked as the gide tabs on the underside show scratches from tool marks. The mag lips also scar the brass something bad...I reattatched the mag spring to the follower as the rivit had come loose but this did not fix the feed isues.

The mag latch looks all stock but I notice that the catch sits proud a tad when a mag is instaled.

Another isue is that the ejector looks to have been shortened as the bolt must be worked rearword in a violent manner to facilitate ejection and the ejector its self has what looks to be file marks on its face....but one thing at a time.

What are my options with replacement mags? Is it a P/H only part?
 
Ganderite said:
Trying to close the bolt on a chambered round is a good way to break a Mauser extractor. (Don't ask me how I know this....)

It is a "controlled feed" extractor. It pickups up the round that feed in from the bottom, under the claw.

It can be modified to close on a chambered round, but I think Mr. Mauser had right.
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Yes. The modification is to make the extractor mount to the bolt with a 'C' shaped spring tension ring and not a solid ring and increase the relief in the bolt recess to allow the extractor to pull away from the bolt body while inside the locking lug area of the reciever. The breaking of extractors on German military guns was an isue and Mauser went to a spring extractor because of this isue actually....according to Frank de Haas
 
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When you have the magazine in the rifle with the bolt open, can you push upwards on the back of the magazine? Do you notice if it rises in the mag well at all? Can you push on the loaded mag and cycle all rounds? By removing the cross pin on the mag latch, this will allow the latch to come out, along with the spring. Underneath this area is a small hex head bolt that holds the 2 piece trigger/mag well assembly onto the action. Check to see that these parts aren't loose. Having them loose will add to the issues you are having.
With your description of the magazine leaving marks on the brass, I suspect it has been modified some way. You may want to take it to someone who is familiar with this type of problem.
 
Gunrunner: no the mag is quite tight in the well infact the lips of the magazine fit very tight into the mag well recess. (Couldn't possibly open them up any more). Upon closer inspection the brass is being gouged by.....everything. The feed ramp is as cast rough and unpolished, the mag lips have burrs from being stamped out and neighbouring cases gouge one another when slid out of the mag. The bolt scrapes the top round when it is pulled in and out of battery and the shoulders rub the edge of the bolt recess in the gun and get gouged. Guess there is. Going to be some plishing in my future to put small rads on stuff and take the burrs and rough spots down.
 
RePete: Yes I agree Jason is very knowledgeable.....but 3 things prevent this cource of action;
1) I have relocated from the Ottawa valley to Muskoka (guess I should change my profile now that I think of it)
2) Jason doesn't seem to get real excited/motivated to work on anything newer than 1900 in a real hurry
3) Jasons demenour towards paying customers is....left wanting. Smart cookie, very talented...bad people skills

I was hoping there were some simple answers and perform the work myself.
I have been doing a fair amount of smith work myself...1890 #16 Maynard extractor and firing pin manufacture and fit, 1890 #1 1/2 Remington Rolling block extractor manufacture and fitment, Remington 597 triger assy. Manufacture and fitment....by comparisson this seems easy, but....
 
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