P&S Garands?

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Well, I have been looking for an M1 for a number of months now. Any that come up in the EE are gold plated with diamonds inset in the wood (or priced that way, at least). The well used ones at P&S are much more reasonably priced given that I want a functional shooter and not a showpiece. I will probably replace the wood at some point, but I want it to function 100% without a major rebuild.

I have seen a number of posts commenting on needing to rebuild the M1's from P&S to simply get them to work properly. Is this the norm or an exception? What are the odds I will need to do a complete refurb on one just to use it? I understand a firing pin may break or the extractor need replacement and that is fair on a well used 60 year old gun. But major surgery is not acceptable to me.

For those who have bought one from P&S, what was your experience and how is it working out?

Mark
 
mmattockx said:
Well, I have been looking for an M1 for a number of months now. Any that come up in the EE are gold plated with diamonds inset in the wood (or priced that way, at least). The well used ones at P&S are much more reasonably priced given that I want a functional shooter and not a showpiece. I will probably replace the wood at some point, but I want it to function 100% without a major rebuild.

I have seen a number of posts commenting on needing to rebuild the M1's from P&S to simply get them to work properly. Is this the norm or an exception? What are the odds I will need to do a complete refurb on one just to use it? I understand a firing pin may break or the extractor need replacement and that is fair on a well used 60 year old gun. But major surgery is not acceptable to me.

For those who have bought one from P&S, what was your experience and how is it working out?

Mark
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"Rebuild" and "Complete Refurb" needed on a gun from P&S? I simply don't believe it. These "guys" didn't return it if it was that bad?

I've bought several guns from P&S including a Garand, and I call that nonsense.
 
Timberlord said:
I bought a P&S Garand.( '55 H&R )
No probs what so ever.
Shoots bang on
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I bought the same..a H&R M1,....no rust or pitting...bore is very good,..all i did was buy a book "The M1 Garand..Owner's Guide"..by Scott Duff..lots of good info for the Garand owner..stripped it down..cleaned up the parts..and it didn't take much...apply the correct grease where the manual said to..washed the stock in Murphys Oil Soap..and then several coats of BLO.

Nice rifle..and oh...bought a surplus web sling
 
I bought an all matching '53 Springfield from P&S. It was a dirty battle rifle. I field stripped, cleaned and oiled the rifle including the stock. About 20 hours of work. It shoots MOA with Lake City. Better hurry before they're all gone:eek:
 
R005t3r said:
I bought an all matching '53 Springfield from P&S. It was a dirty battle rifle. I field stripped, cleaned and oiled the rifle including the stock. About 20 hours of work. It shoots MOA with Lake City. Better hurry before they're all gone:eek:
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I talked to Jean on the phone about buying a M1..he said that this batch of Garands that he is selling was from a country with a dry climate..so that helps preserve the wood and the metal..he didn't say which country,..and i didn't ask...but storage is everything ..i think alot of these rifles need a good cleaning, and stock oiled,,some TLC goes a long way...
 
My IH Garand that I bout from P&S had a cracked handguard that I ended up replacing and when I did that I wound up refinishing the entire stock set! but after a good cleaning and replacing the one bad part it has been a dream, and well worth the price!
 
X2 Andy. I've seen several Garands from P&S and shot quite a few as well. All of them were as advertised. The cheapest one of the lot was advertised as good to very good and I would call it the latter. The bore showed a little throat erosion but it still shot and functioned well.
All of the rifles I saw were sound mechanically and the stocks were beat to hell. That was it.
If you're looking for a Very Good plus over all shooter, don't buy one. You will have to replace the furniture and maybe repark and replace a few worn parts.
If you're looking for a solid shooter and aren't to worried about cosmetics, buy one.
 
The Good,the Bad,and the Ugly on these...

I've bought 5 of these,incl 2 IHCs and 3 HRAs, over the past 2 yrs as restoration projects and all have proven to be attractive and sound shooting rifles after considerable adjustment,parts replacement and re-finishing.
THE GOOD:
-among the 5,I located 2 scarce IHC variants incl one built on a Springfield "gap-letter" receiver and one built on a HRA receiver which were furnished to IHC on contract at the close of IHC production in late 1955
-all barrels were original and sound with no pitting and acceptable muzzle and throat erosion.All muzzles required a clean-up to remove puckers and cuts
-all rifles retained a good percentage of original manufacturer's components with the exception of all stocks,2 trigger groups,2 op rods,2 bolts,3 windage knobs, 3 elevation knobs,and various minor components
-there was no pitting on any metal surfaces -only surface rust
-headspace was within specs with original or replacement bolts
THE BAD:The following parts were unservicable and not repairable;1 stock,2 rear handguards,1 front handguard,5 op rod springs,4 rear sight covers,1 gas cylinder,3 safeties,1 hammer spring housing,2 buttplates,1 gas plug,2 elevation pinions.
THE UGLY:
-rifles were fouled with accumulated dust and grime requiring a complete stripping of all parts and considerable wire brushing with a Dremel to remove caked on dirt and surface rust from inner surfaces
-all stocks and handguards were gouged,and dented requiring re-finishing
-all stocks required shimming of the rear receiver leg and trigger housing bearing seats to eliminate play and achieve correct fit
-3 rear handguards and 3 front handguards were split/cracked,but repairable
-1 op rod was binding and will require re-bending
-original metal finish was badly worn requiring re-finishing/re-parkerizing.2 of 5 receivers,all trigger groups,all buttplates,all stock hardware,all rear sight assemblies,all front sights,all gas cylinders,4 of 5 bolts,all clip latches,most internal components,and all gas cyl locks required complete re-finishing.Barrel finish was OK after several applications of Oxpho-blue.
None of these 5 rifles were in a "clean and shoot" condition when received-at least according to my standards of mechanical functionality and appearance.I have the necessary tools,gauges,and experience to do complete re-builds and restorations of Garands and am satisfied with all of these rifles as the basis of enjoyable and worthwhile restorations.
 
The P&S website made no mention of shootability/servicability on these individual rifles,but does make forthright disclosures on bore condition,metal finish,stock condition,and the fact that handguards are cracked or split.Like I said,I bought these as restoration projects,so I set my expectations accordingly and was satisfied with what I got.
 
purple said:
I've bought 5 of these,incl 2 IHCs and 3 HRAs, over the past 2 yrs as restoration projects and all have proven to be attractive and sound shooting rifles after considerable adjustment,parts replacement and re-finishing.
THE GOOD:
-among the 5,I located 2 scarce IHC variants incl one built on a Springfield "gap-letter" receiver and one built on a HRA receiver which were furnished to IHC on contract at the close of IHC production in late 1955
-all barrels were original and sound with no pitting and acceptable muzzle and throat erosion.All muzzles required a clean-up to remove puckers and cuts
-all rifles retained a good percentage of original manufacturer's components with the exception of all stocks,2 trigger groups,2 op rods,2 bolts,3 windage knobs, 3 elevation knobs,and various minor components
-there was no pitting on any metal surfaces -only surface rust
-headspace was within specs with original or replacement bolts
THE BAD:The following parts were unservicable and not repairable;1 stock,2 rear handguards,1 front handguard,5 op rod springs,4 rear sight covers,1 gas cylinder,3 safeties,1 hammer spring housing,2 buttplates,1 gas plug,2 elevation pinions.
THE UGLY:
-rifles were fouled with accumulated dust and grime requiring a complete stripping of all parts and considerable wire brushing with a Dremel to remove caked on dirt and surface rust from inner surfaces
-all stocks and handguards were gouged,and dented requiring re-finishing
-all stocks required shimming of the rear receiver leg and trigger housing bearing seats to eliminate play and achieve correct fit
-3 rear handguards and 3 front handguards were split/cracked,but repairable
-1 op rod was binding and will require re-bending
-original metal finish was badly worn requiring re-finishing/re-parkerizing.2 of 5 receivers,all trigger groups,all buttplates,all stock hardware,all rear sight assemblies,all front sights,all gas cylinders,4 of 5 bolts,all clip latches,most internal components,and all gas cyl locks required complete re-finishing.Barrel finish was OK after several applications of Oxpho-blue.
None of these 5 rifles were in a "clean and shoot" condition when received-at least according to my standards of mechanical functionality and appearance.I have the necessary tools,gauges,and experience to do complete re-builds and restorations of Garands and am satisfied with all of these rifles as the basis of enjoyable and worthwhile restorations.
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uhhh....how does reparking or blueing make a rifle shootable? or more safe to shoot?
 
I agree with your illumination of the obvious.But why settle for ugly when you can have pretty? It's also about personal standards and tastes,just like one's choices of women,vehicles,art,or housing.
 
Stocks rubbed down with BLO on a scotchbrite pad.
Metal cleaned and oiled .


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