P14 and P17 bonanza!

H Wally

H Wally

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Hey everyone, once again I have aquired several milsurps that I know nothing about... or at least very very little. As part of a package
deal I recently aquired a matching Eddystone Pattern 14 and a matching Eddystone P17, along with a P14 stock in rough condition.
Anyone got some good details... or what they're worth? (I really really really want a non restricted cz 858:rolleyes: so I need an excuse)

(Also got a No4, but there's a lot more info on them)
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Firstly, the P14. As I said before, it's all matching, the bore is very lightly pitted and dark, but very strong. The crown is great,
bluing good, and full wood. Also, There is RCAF 7 B-355 stamped on the buttstock.

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Second, the P17. Same condition as the P14, if not better. The only exception being it seems to have been import marked (I've
never seen american import marking, but this seems to fit the description) and someone molested the bolt handle and turned it into
an acorn!!:eek: :runaway: In all fairness though, it makes it much easier to keep ahold of. Plus it's a tack driver :) .

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Finally, the P14 stock. What tips me off that it is a P14 stock is that It has the plug where the unit disk would be, and no hand grooves on the fore stock. It seems to have been stripped, and possibly cut up. Mainly I'm wondering if anyone can shed light on what the two mirrored burns/semi circular cuts are immediately in front of the reciever are???? Also, I have a P14 that needs a full stock, would it be a sin to pin the cracks in this one, refurb it and put it on?

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Thanks in advance, and hope ya liked em!
 
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"I think this is a P17 stock though, since it has the
hand grooves, which I haven't seen on P14's yet. Could be wrong though."

There were two types of stocks. One is sometimes called the 'fatboy' stock. This is usually found on an Eddystone P14 and it litterally is 'fatter' up by the barrel band. Winchesters and Remingtons usually had the thinner stock with the finger grooves.

A quick web search netted me this explanation:

"P14 stocks in WW1 had finger grooves and no finger grooves.
a) Winchester and Remington had finger grooves
b) most Eddystone fatboy stocks had no grooves.
c) WW2 replacement P14 stocks had M1917 equal length finger grooves due to the volley sights having been deleted from the rifle in service.
d) WW2 replacement stocks will not have -W-or -E- on the tip."
 
Hmmm, anyone know pricing on that? I don't really have money to throw around, so unless it's cheap and available... I'll go buy a tire repair kit instead.
 
Gibbs505 said:
The book, about $20.00 Go to North Cape Publications website!
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While you're at it, why don't you buy an Enfield book, and a Mauser book, and a Mosin book, and a Ljungmann book. :rolleyes:

I don't see why some people have to turn their nose up at a request for information. Not all of us can blow $25 on a book, whenever we have a question.
 
Looks like the No4 is a rewooded bubba

I suspect that the p14 might be a reworked bubba based onthe fancy bolt handle, but it looks good none the less.


and yes those circular cuts are from a DP stock like in the picure the P14 is wearing a DP stock

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ilovepotatos said:
While you're at it, why don't you buy an Enfield book, and a Mauser book, and a Mosin book, and a Ljungmann book. :rolleyes:

I don't see why some people have to turn their nose up at a request for information. Not all of us can blow $25 on a book, whenever we have a question.
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If you can blow $200.00 on a rifle, you can blow $20.00 on a book methinks. It amazes me that some can buy whatever hardware they want, on any item other then firearms as well, but never take the time to read up on the information behind the hardware.
 
I keep telling youse guys. There ain't no such animule as a P17!!!!!!!!
Just as a No4 is NOT a SMLE
Nor is a No5Mk1 rifle a "jungle carbine"
And a .380 Enfield Revolver IS NOT a Webley even though they do resemble each other.
 
Gibbs505 said:
If you can blow $200.00 on a rifle, you can blow $20.00 on a book methinks. It amazes me that some can buy whatever hardware they want, on any item other then firearms as well, but never take the time to read up on the information behind the hardware.
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I can't get guys on CGN to give me a rifle...yet. But I can get information from them. Not only that, but $200 on a rifle is a much better investment than a book. I justify my spending on Milsurps because I will get exactly what I put into them. I'll get about a 5% return annually. Am I going to get that on some book that I don't have time to read anyways? No.

I'm not blowing money on milsurps, because it's value will inflate. A book's value will NOT inflate. Surely you understand this.
 
woodchopper said:
Looks like the No4 is a rewooded bubba

I suspect that the p14 might be a reworked bubba based onthe fancy bolt handle, but it looks good none the less.
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For the No 4, I know it's rewooded... I put the wood on:p .

The Pattern 17 is the one with the acorn bolt knob, and it's all matching, just someone decided to molest it.:( And yes - I agree, it does actually look kinda spiffy (I feel dirty for saying that).

Gibbs505 said:
If you can blow $200.00 on a rifle, you can blow $20.00 on a book methinks. It amazes me that some can buy whatever hardware they want, on any item other then firearms as well, but never take the time to read up on the information behind the hardware.
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It's because I don't pay $200 for any firearms. I don't buy much of anything other than food. Also, why drop the money on a book and shipping for a rifle I plan to sell when I can just ask for the information here for free???:confused: Plus, who in the lords name am I going to sell it to to recoup my costs once I've got all the info in my head? I'm a student, I memorize and return things to the bookstore.

John Sukey said:
I keep telling youse guys. There ain't no such animule as a P17!!!!!!!!
Just as a No4 is NOT a SMLE
Nor is a No5Mk1 rifle a "jungle carbine"
And a .380 Enfield Revolver IS NOT a Webley even though they do resemble each other.
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Very true. I just find Pattern a redundant repetition, and also a bad habit. I stand corrected.
 
I don't mind passing on the infpormation I get from the book, it is just that I don't always have the time to look it up and answer the question. So i recommend the book. If you don't want to buy it, fine, your choice, but don't get pissy at me for making the recommendation. I was simply answering Wally's question about the price.

Also, you know, some actually like reading books, even such as these, for pleasure and enjoyment as well as information. I, personally do not consider $20.00 excessive for these books, and I have spent a lot more. You will note that Ian Skennertons magnificent work was not my first recommendation!

Finally, I get to boost my post count!:D
 
One reason to buy a book. You don't get "stung' by some smooth operator saying "this is a rare model" instead of the usual BUBBA job.
Oh by the way, I have books on all the rifles mentioned, and a lot more.
While I already have Skennerton's first two editions on the Lee-enfield I have already put my money down on the third.
If you are going to collect anything, FIRST buy a book on the subject. It will save you money in the long run.;)
 
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