I was shooting my Winchester made P14 today. What a great rifle! I was getting good groups, but with the battle sight (I think that is what it is called....I mean with the ladder sight down) it shot about a foot high at 100 yards. I flipped up the ladder sight and even on the lowest setting I could see that I would be shooting higher still. What do you do about this? Thanks!
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P14 help needed
- Thread starter kferguson
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Taller front sight. I had to do that to mine. Stock is a 300 yard zero I think.
I had a bunch of no4 sights for my no4..ha, I bought a pack from Ebay. Picked the next tallest one I had (I dont think the numbers jive with p14 ones...) so I used my micrometer.
Might be able to find p14 ones anyways...maybe smle ones are the same?
It's a lazer....110 yards at the farm. Smashed a 10inch pumpkin first shot.
I had a bunch of no4 sights for my no4..ha, I bought a pack from Ebay. Picked the next tallest one I had (I dont think the numbers jive with p14 ones...) so I used my micrometer.
Might be able to find p14 ones anyways...maybe smle ones are the same?
It's a lazer....110 yards at the farm. Smashed a 10inch pumpkin first shot.
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- Western Manitoba
Stratton's book "Pattern 1914 and U.S. Model of 1917" says the P14 battle sight was set for 300 yards - p. 86. That was with a pointed FMJ 174 grain bullet at 2,440 fps +/- 40 fps. Shoot a different bullet or different speed will get different results. Large number of differing height front sights were available - like 11 different heights varying in .015" increments - p. 92. Replacing front sight blades was how the rifles were "sighted in" with the standard ammo. If you are shooting too high, then you need a taller front sight. Measure exact distance from your front sight to the rear battle sight and you can calculate how much taller front sight needed to lower your impact at 100 yards. No reason to believe the increments on the ladder will match your loads unless you are copying the standard military load.
Rough measurement here is 31 1/2" between sights. You would need to add .00875" to front sight height, for each inch at 100 yards that you want to lower your group.
The lowest setting on a P14 ladder (sight flipped up) is "2", on the left rail of the sight - that is 200 yards with standard military ammo, with a correctly sighted P14.
Rough measurement here is 31 1/2" between sights. You would need to add .00875" to front sight height, for each inch at 100 yards that you want to lower your group.
The lowest setting on a P14 ladder (sight flipped up) is "2", on the left rail of the sight - that is 200 yards with standard military ammo, with a correctly sighted P14.
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You could change out the front sight to compensate for using the battle sight at shorter ranges, which would then throw things off using the aperture sight, or you could just aim off in compensation - which is what soldiers would be taught to do.
That's pretty tough on small targets that aren't silhouettes .
The steel at my range is only 12inches at 100. It was very hard to find a consistent low hold especially shooting a foot high. And at 200 I can probably figure out the new ladder setting pretty quick using some targets...150 I can probably hold slightly high with it sighted at 100.
The steel at my range is only 12inches at 100. It was very hard to find a consistent low hold especially shooting a foot high. And at 200 I can probably figure out the new ladder setting pretty quick using some targets...150 I can probably hold slightly high with it sighted at 100.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
I bought my copy of Stratton's book on Amazon.ca in Feb., 2019. Might want to check Numrich Gunpartscorp for sight inserts. If you are not concerned about originality, I believe sight inserts for M1917, Lee Enfield No. 4 and Lee Enfield No. 1 will also fit in the same dovetail - just got to get the height that you are after... Some have been known to solder, then file, or epoxy, then file, to raise that front sight's top edge.
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