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So since the firearm on a 320 is the trigger group and everything else is interchangable wouldn't the P320 X-5 trigger group be the only part that's not on the production list or are all the parts ei. module, trigger ect. be banned from production even though if I put them on a regular P320 it's still classified as a regular P320?

Hope that all makes sense lol
 
Nobody answered a difficult question. The X5 is fortunately legal in IDPA SSP without the magwell and legal in ESP with it attached. The gun is also legal in USPSA.

I have to think IPSC got it right for not allowing the X5 on the basis of it being a purpose built target gun - if that was the reason - although they seem to turn a blind eye to the Shadow2 and the fact it is a purpose built pistol for IPSC Production.

The registered part in the trigger group as you point out and you should be able to put it in a 320 frame and slide and be good to go. To use an IPSC comment, "How would anyone know?" The offending parts are the ones you can replace with kits mimicking the 320. You would then be shooting a 320 pistol would you not?

Maybe Sean can reply to a very interesting question.

Take Care

Bob
 
In order to use the parts from an X-5, you'd need a document produced by Sig identifying them as optional parts for the regular P320 line.
At that point, IPSC would approve the parts. (It's what they do with Tanfoglio and CZ and Glock)

"Who would know if you did it anyway?"
Someone would find out (Someone always does; people talk...) and the ensuing s**tstorm headed your way isn't worth the perceived gain of skirting the rules.
 
Sean you have not looked into this in any depth. The trigger group for both pistols is identical. The XFive parts would fit into the frame of the 320. SIG sells the different slide/barrel combos. What the OP is suggesting is you simply take the trigger group from the XFive and mate it with factory 320 parts. It seems to me the offending parts that IPSC rightly objects to is the slide cuts, weighted grip inserts and magwell on the XFive.

I will extend at you a better line. How would anyone know since they would be looking at a 320 pistol and more importantly why would IPSC care - as the gun would be identical to the 320.

Take care

Bob
ps The document, if you really think it necessary would simply be the SIG catalog
 
Canuck44 said:
The registered part in the trigger group as you point out and you should be able to put it in a 320 frame and slide and be good to go. To use an IPSC comment, "How would anyone know?" The offending parts are the ones you can replace with kits mimicking the 320. You would then be shooting a 320 pistol would you not?


Take Care

Bob
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Was thinking the other way around, with CZ's you can take parts from other CZ's and use them in production so why couldn't someone take the trigger group out of a P320 and put it in an X-5 module since the X-5 "gun" is the part banned from production not the module or say flat trigger
 
Claytom Magnet said:
Was thinking the other way around, with CZ's you can take parts from other CZ's and use them in production so why couldn't someone take the trigger group out of a P320 and put it in an X-5 module since the X-5 "gun" is the part banned from production not the module or say flat trigger
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I don't think the trigger group, which I understand to be the same is the issue here. I would think IPSC found the slide cuts, weighted grip and magwell found on the X Five to offend the concept of Production Division not the trigger group. IDPA does in part - the magwell. USPSA accepts the XFive. Sean can chime in here as he might be able to shed more light on the decision to not allow the XFive.

CZ seems to live in a different reality unless you think the 48 ounce boat anchor aka Shadow2 is really a LEO/Military Option. :>).

There was a time in the recent past where the SIG Five would not have been allowed to compete in IDPA SSP Division. Seems like the purists get trumped by marketing money. Up here there is $700 difference between the 320 and the XFive. So much for the "not for competition" concept of IDPA. Hypocrisy is alive and well south of the border.

Take Care

Bob
 
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I spoke with the production committee and it was the magwell that was the issue. The only way they would accept it is if the factory shipped it without the magwell. Funny thing is the P320 RX is allowed to be used for production with the optic removed. When I asked why this reasoning was not applied to the Xfive, It would be to hard to identify that it did not comply with production division. I did point out that we do have an equipment check that we are suppose to do, but that reasoning was ignored. An Xfive is a P320. If I take the trigger group, or slide, etc and transfer it to my P320 it should comply with the rule because it is a factory part for this family of firearms. Just my opinion. Not sure would the IPSC rule committee would say.
 
Interesting. The magwell is easily removed by removing a screw just like the RMR sight. At that point the X Five still is not a 320 though given the Xfive has a weighted grip and a slotted slide which says X Five.

To add, putting the trigger group into a 320 frame and adding a 320 slide/barrel and you have a 320. At that point it would seem the shooter would have a legal 320.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
To add, putting the trigger group into a 320 frame and adding a 320 slide/barrel and you have a 320. At that point it would seem the shooter would have a legal 320.
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Can you clarify why a person would do that? Why not just buy a plain 320 if you are going to end up with a plain 320? Is the trigger group better in the X5?
 
adamg said:
Can you clarify why a person would do that? Why not just buy a plain 320 if you are going to end up with a plain 320? Is the trigger group better in the X5?
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Discussing what is possible, not what is probable. The X Five looks like a great gun for IDPA, USPSA and in the right hands for Steel and 3 Gun. For the cost, you probably could buy a 320, cheaper than buying the kits to convert the XFive. I have shot the 320 and it is a very nice pistol. The Optic version will compete well with the Optic equipped Glock 19/M&P CORE. For those who are out for fun the 320 will work in IPSC Production. I doubt the serious folks would move from the CZ and Clone line of guns. What wins on Sunday sells on Monday.

Take Care

Bob
 
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