P37 belts

Dimitri

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I just wanted to ask something, when they list the size as 48" long does that mean the total size of the belt is 48" or does it mean it can accept a 48" waist ?? :confused:

I'm wondering because at 40" my waist is alittle big and I want to make sure it will fit me right before I go out and buy a belt. :redface:

PS. I was about to mail a order for the P37 belt from Thing Military and it hit me I dont even know if the belt would fit me right. :eek:

Dimitri
 
I know they are adjustable but before I send the money tommorrow I want to make sure the 48" "long" belt will fit my big 40" waist. :redface:

Dimitri
 
The "Long" (i.e. 48" belt) was the largest size made (at least when original Pattern 1937 web gear was being made - today's hefty re-enactors can get repro belts much longer ... I know that because I must admit to being in the hefty category, at 6' 4' with a 44" waist and 50" chest! :rolleyes: )

Anyway, to answer your question, 48" is the total length of the webbing, but at its "absolutely furthest out setting" will produce a 44" belt - I know that because I also have an original "Long" P'37 belt, which I am able to use over battledress ... :)

I got the even larger reproduction waistbelt because the original won't fit when worn over a real "prize" I have: an unissued Pattern 1944 "Oversuit, Winter, Tank, Crew" in the biggest size made. It is actually large enough for me to wear (though "just") if you can believe it! (What in heaven's name they were doing making suits this big for tank crewmwn, I'll never know - I doubt that anybody my size could easily squeeze through the hatch of a Sherman, let alone function inside!)

What the heck, since the image is handy, this is the garment I'm talking about .... depicted on a South Alberta Regiment Trooper -

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GrantR,

Thanks :D All this talk about rifle shoots in original WW2 equipment made me dig into my "reserve" of money and I'll be sending the MO today :D

Dimitri
 
John Sukey said:
The artist didn't know much about STENS. Fire it like that and you will get a stoppage. And of course you can't use the sights.

I don't see a stock on the sten, so hopefully the guys got a pistol grip or at least a back plate on it, or he'll have more than a stoppage..he'll have one heck of a headache.
But why do you say he can't use the sights John?
 
But John .... that's the way most of the actors in the movies hold 'em, so it's gotta be right! :rolleyes:

The way the sten is being held, I've always assumed that the butt - whatever kind - is just concealed between his lower arm and body ...
 
Well I sent the MO out. Cant wait to get the belt and the ammo pouches. Need to order XL Braces from WhatPriceGlory as I'm 6ft2" and the Brace (just one) I got is small. Itbarly fits between the back loop on the belt (I ordered a belt but it was a small one extends out to like 36") to right on top of the ammo pouches (reordered these because the button tabs dont work on the ones I got from Sportsmansguide!) :)

Dimitri
 
Dmitri: Regret to advise that WPG reported no "extra long" braces available, just a few weeks ago, when I included them in an order to them ... (I'm 6' 4", myself ....) :(

However, I wasn't terribly disappointed because I already have some unmarked braces that would rate as "extra long" (Canadian webbing colour, brass tips) that I got somewhere. Always thought they were post-war, or maybe even the repros that WPG sells. If I have any extras, would you be interested in a pair? (I'll have to dig through my stuff ...)
 
GrantR,

If that is the case and they dont have anymore then I'd definatly be interested in a pair as I cant complete my webset without braces! :)

Post war/repros I dont mind at all, actually so far my all my P37 gear is post war. My small pack is a Australian 1960's small pack (or atleast it was modified in the 60's I'm told), my belt and my ammo pouches I just ordered from Things Military are both post war as well. :)

Dimitri
 
Dimitri:

I may have spoken too soon - I was digging through my stuff last night, and could only locate one pair of the long braces I spoke about (which I need to keep for myself.) Also, the metal tabs aren't brass as I thought - they are a sort of "browned" metal (i.e. not the dull blackened finish that marks web gear as definitely postwar. I have an unissued war-dated Canadian haversack which has similarly brown-colored metal buckles and tabs ...)

I know I had several pairs of these braces to begin with, but at the moment have no idea where I may have "stored" them ... :( Rather than rely on me as a possible source, you should probably keep looking - maybe check with Bill at Things Military, as he just might have long braces which you could add to your order ....

By the way, if the braces you've tried were only the "short" or "normal" length, you might just find that a pair of regular "long" (as opposed to "extra long") braces may do for you, anyway - though they might not have as much "free end" as originally intended. P'37 web gear was worn fairly high - i.e. the waistbelt should be at the true "waist", not down toward the hips like we tend to wear belts nowadays. Also, the front tabs of the braces are not intended to reach the belt, but only to come down far enough that they will attach to the buckle on the top back of each basic pouch (in the normal configuration) - or attach to the buckle at the top of the strap extending up from "cartridge carriers" or at the top of the separate "brace attachments" used in other configurations in lieu of the basic pouches ...
You may know all of this, of course. (If not, however, feel free to ask for additional info or pictures to clarify what I am talking about.)

While I'm rambling: another thing I couldn't locate last night - which annoyed me greatly - is a pair of unissued, war-dated Canadian-made braces which are of the very first original configuration - i.e. consisting of separately marked "L" (left) and "R" (right) braces, one of which has a webbing "keeper" sewn to the inside of the "rear" strap at the point they would cross over in the back. The original regs called for the strap of the other brace to pass through this keeper (rather like you do with the tail of a necktie through the "keeper" usually sewn onto the back of the tie) - supposedly to stabilize the braces. Perhaps needless to say, this arrangement didn't really work all that well - different sizes and shapes of men meant that the keeper could well not be in the right position to be made use of (plus, using it added another step to the rather complicated procedure of assembling the webbing, and made proper adjustment even more finicky) so the keeper arrangement was not generally used, and the feature was eliminated from the design - so there was no longer a "left" and a "right" brace. Apparently, overzealous application of the revised regulations resulted in the removal of the existing keepers from many of the early pattern braces, with the result that such a "true pair" is quite rare nowadays. So it does tick me off that I can't figure out what I've done with some of this stuff! :mad:
 
GrantR,

Its fine you didnt find them, you offered and tried and I appresiate it! :D

I've got to admit I dont know much about P37 webgear other then I think its the nicest looking webgear out there. :dancingbanana: Actually I do want to use this for the shoots that some people seem to do wearing WW2 gear and, the other reason I want a full set is for hunting, the small pack and the brace (which actually is too small to use as a sholder pack in my opinion as well, that brace does have a "keeper" loop though) that I have now I use for my hunting and hiking pack, its outlasted most of the other commerical packs without it shown any real wear and tear (got to love thick cotton canvas! :cool: ) I've used so far too! :dancingbanana:

If I was to wear my belt at my navel like it seems they did I'd need a much larger belt then a 40"-42" (with thick jackets etc) which is my "non-military waist" :eek:

Dimitri
 
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Dimitri ...

However, to look "right" at such a shoot, you'll also need a full set of battledress, suitably badged to the unit of your choosing ... with appropriate boots and anklets ... and headgear, such as a Mark II steel helmet ... and of course other accoutrements like gas mask and carrier .... then you need to be toting a good Long Branch No. 4 rifle and matching bayonet ... and ....... :runaway: :eek: ;)

Actually, for a good online article about Pattern 1937 Web Gear, check this out: P'37 Web Article at canadiansoldiers.com

Here is just one image from that article, showing the P'37 standard "Set For Infantry" assembled in "Full Marching Order" -

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This website's theme is "The Canadian Soldier in the 20th Century" - and the whole site is overflowing with great information and pictures ... another particularly excellent example ( :rolleyes: ) is the "Service Pistol" article in the "Small Arms" section under "Weapons". ( .... Actually, I m overdue in updating it, but .... ;) )
 
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GrantR,

I've been to that site, and its pretty neat. :)

PS I know I'm going to end up needing alot more then just a P37 web set but I figured one step at a time. :runaway:

Dimitri
 
Well what do you know it came in today! :D

The Belt extended at about 43" fits with a thick winter coat on my "military waist" (which happens to be smaller then my normal waste by alittle!) so alot of room! :dancingbanana:

Also the pouches "MEC. 1952 /|\" and under "CNAA 0563" look and are much better then the pouches I got from Sportsmansguide a few months ago (Australian Surplus)! :D

As for the brace I've got its too small, it will work when I wear the belt on my military waist but just enough to go from the back of the belt to the trigates on the pouches. Thats ok though will end up looking for longer ones in alittle while! :D

PS. GrantR they were still issuing/marking P37 belts into the 80s in Canada it has 2 years on it a "D (or N) & M LTD. 50 /|\" and "/|\ ontop of 84" ?? :eek:

Dimitri
 
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