Parker Hale Super Safari M98 action Trigger Pull Weight adjustment?

[Fox]

I took the 3006 out today again, wanted to work on some groups. I shot a bunch of other guns today and then grabbed this one. The trigger pull weight made me jump, even after shooting the M700 in 222 setup for varmint hunting.

I wanted to ask, is adjusting the trigger on this action something that needs to go in to a gunsmith for? I cannot seem to find anything online about adjusting them. Did they replace these triggers when they made sporters? There does not seem to be any 2 stage to it at all.

Thanks

 

[Potashminer]

Most had a fully adjustable trigger installed - maybe some less expensive ones had the original two stage military trigger ? All that I have (three?) can very easily be swapped back to a military two stage trigger if that is what you want? But then have to do something about a safety which is usually then installed by replacing the bolt shroud as well, with a safety there, since the adjustable triggers also had the integral safety, as well as a "bolt-locked-in-safe" lever.

If yours has a slide safety inletted into the stock, behind the bolt handle, no doubt it is an adjustable Parker Hale trigger. If your rifle has a safety on the bolt shroud, then it is likely a military style two stage trigger, or used to be - I have a Husqvarna built on an FN 98 Mauser action that the factory ground off one of the "humps" to make it a single stage trigger. I chose to replace that with an original two stage military trigger.

PM sent about Parker Hale adjustable trigger. Not certain if that is what you have. Within limits, a military trigger can be smoothed, etc., but design pull weight is up there - Kuhnhausen book page 97 says two stage mauser 98 triggers should not be less than 4 pounds. Page 90 - "The sear spring must be strong enough to produce at least 3 1/2 pounds of trigger pull by itself in a serviceable action with a military type trigger."

 

[BigRobb]

Mine has an adjustable trigger, and if you meant that you were startled by your trigger being really light, I’m assuming yours has an adjustable trigger as well. They are a very nice trigger and are quite adjustable. Sear, weight and travel I believe are all adjustable and easily done without a gunsmith.

 

[Fox]

Mine has an adjustable trigger, and if you meant that you were startled by your trigger being really light, I’m assuming yours has an adjustable trigger as well. They are a very nice trigger and are quite adjustable. Sear, weight and travel I believe are all adjustable and easily done without a gunsmith.

Ya, startled as the M700 I have is a light trigger and this one I just touched and it went off, like a set trigger, did not even touch paper, ha ha ha.

I took the rifle off the stock, there are 3 screws, no safety on this one, the safety is the older style of wing safety that replaced the military safety.

I am going to try the instructions for the santa barbara trigger, they seem to adjust similarly. I actually have another PH 3006 with the same trigger in the cabinet that is a friends, I am comparing to that one too.

This is definitely not a military trigger.

 

[guntech]

One screw will be weight adjustment, one screw will be sear engagement, one screw will be backlash... it is important there be a little backlash when you are done.

 

[Potashminer]

Guntech has given you the concepts. Must have been numerous variations of the Parker Hale Super. Not really surprising, I guess. Then various "improvements" that people (like me) have done - bolt lock lever removed, safety removed from trigger to go back to a shroud safety, and so on. Hunted in the cold too much - I do not like a "light" trigger on hunting rifle - want to feel some weight before rifle goes off - I like the two stage triggers on Lee Enfields, P14 and M1917 and military mausers. What you get used to, I guess. I understand completely not ideal for dedicated target shooting, but do not think that is done often in minus 20... But have read there are target quality, light weight two stage triggers made and used in competitions (or, at least, were used). I like the large amount of sear engagement that the two stage has, and I like the separate engagement of the safety on the cocking piece that the milsurps mentioned have.

 

[Fox]

Guntech has given you the concepts. Must have been numerous variations of the Parker Hale Super. Not really surprising, I guess. Then various "improvements" that people (like me) have done - bolt lock lever removed, safety removed from trigger to go back to a shroud safety, and so on. Hunted in the cold too much - I do not like a "light" trigger on hunting rifle - want to feel some weight before rifle goes off - I like the two stage triggers on Lee Enfields, P14 and M1917 and military mausers. What you get used to, I guess. I understand completely not ideal for dedicated target shooting, but do not think that is done often in minus 20... But have read there are target quality, light weight two stage triggers made and used in competitions (or, at least, were used). I like the large amount of sear engagement that the two stage has, and I like the separate engagement of the safety on the cocking piece that the milsurps mentioned have.

I like to have some creep and then a break, better feel. I figured out the screws but since this is not the same model the start points are not correct.

I also noticed that the trigger assembly is held in place by the bedding block at the wrist, so I have to get a stack of washers to simulate that while I adjust or fight with holding the trigger assembly up every time.

I now know what to do, too bad there is not a write up on it.

This is the 98/19 trigger, if anyone knows about that one specifically.

 

[Fox]

Got it

I had to go back and forth between the sear engagement and the backlash screw, when I set the backlash and tightened the sear engagement lock it would screw up the backlash. I backed the backlash off just a hair more and then tightened everything up. I do not feel as though I would be worried about using a glove now, you can feel some sear on the trigger, which is nice, but it is not a long travel at all. I do not have a gauge but the book for the other style of parker hale trigger said the adjustment was between 2.5 and 5lbs, I am not at the max for weight but probably closer to 4lbs, does not feel heavy and dry firing when lined up on a moose picture on the other side of my basement did not cause me any distress or cause me to pull off where I was aiming.

Thanks for the info guys, saved me a trip into Covidville to get to a gunsmith

 

[Potashminer]

If you want a "make do" apparatus to get a "real number" for your trigger pull weight, just a piece of string looped around trigger and a noose around a pop bottle - add water to pop bottle - then try to "lift" the load with the rifle cocked. Eventually you find the weight that just so trips it every time, and a few drops of water less does not. Weigh the bottle of water and that is your "trigger pull" weight, if the actual number matters to you... Was a thing in some competitions what the actual trigger weight was, but for a lot of us, it is about how it "feels". For the competitions, it was about how much weight the trigger could or could not lift.

 

[Fox]

If you want a "make do" apparatus to get a "real number" for your trigger pull weight, just a piece of string looped around trigger and a noose around a pop bottle - add water to pop bottle - then try to "lift" the load with the rifle cocked. Eventually you find the weight that just so trips it every time, and a few drops of water less does not. Weigh the bottle of water and that is your "trigger pull" weight, if the actual number matters to you... Was a thing in some competitions what the actual trigger weight was, but for a lot of us, it is about how it "feels". For the competitions, it was about how much weight the trigger could or could not lift.

I shoot mainly military surplus and general hunting guns, I want the trigger to have a similar but not insane weight between them. I grabbed a fish scale and tested, this gun now runs right around 5lbs, my varmint gun is just over 3lbs, my main deer rifle is 6lbs. The feel on the trigger now is nice, some take up but not a long pull, breaks clean without any heavy shelf. Went from feeling scary to beautiful, I know I found wanted a Parker Hale because of all the old deer guns at camp, glad the adjustment was so simple.

Thanks everyone