Parts switch from one production legal gun to another

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I believe this is ok, as they are both production legal pistols.
I have an my old USP Custom sport which has match trigger parts in it, and a new stainless model of the USP. I know I can switch out my match parts (hammer spring, trigger rebound spring, adjustable sights), as these parts are available as options from the factory. My question is this; can I swap out parts from my old USP to my new USP and no violate any rules. The reason I would want to do this is that the 12,000+ rds I have put thru my old usp have basically smoothed out parts on the hammer strut, and trigger bar. Since we are not allowed to purposely "alter" any OEM parts via serious removing of any materials, I am basically putting a used OEM part into a new pistol.
 
I have posted this question in the IPSC world forums. Lots of interesting answers. For the most part I was looking for clarification.
USP stainless is on the production list, and the OEM offers the "tuning kit" or match trigger and sights for all USP's. Night sights are available for all USP's from the OEM. (reference; USP owners manual, HK Germany wesbite)

INternal modifications are not allowed, accept to install OEM parts and options. "Minor Detailing" is allowed, but this is not applicable in this situation.(my Custom sport required some plastic shavings around the trigger to be removed, as it was stopping the trigger from resetting)

There is no rule that says you can not put used OEM parts into a pistol.
===== I am good to go!!!!!
 
I am really starting to hate the IPSC production rules...

There is NO way to know what has been done to the guns and there is NO way to enforce the rules.

How can you tell a aftermarket wolff spring from a factory one? The mainspring from a factory gun with 20,000 rds will be the same or less than a RP wolff spring.

I mean all manufacturers are starting to add race parts and say they are options....
 
I would not ask if I had no desire to stay within the rules. It is a game, and we go on the honour system. I guess the problem of not being able to police what competitors do to there firearms is what the USPSA encountered? They changed there rules to reflect what competitors in the USA wanted.
 
Not being privy to USPSA discussions, this is only surmise, but I think the USPSA went with their current rules because the rule makers all shot 1911s and could not live with a no tinkering rule.
 
At the General Assembly in 2000, I asked a fellow RD from Europe who has a very large region what they did about policing springs. This RD was (and I think still is) a major supporter of production division.

He said we test the DA pull at the chrono shack and see if anything looks funny about the gun. Then we're done. He said he could care less what was done inside, he agreed with me that we can't enforce divisional rules that require officals to be expert armorers on 50 different models of guns.

Why USPSA does things is always a guessing game. Thier usual answer of "Our 15,000+ members wanted it." (which, if IPSC will actually release actual regional membership numbers, shows that they are equal or greater than the whole of IPSC) pretty much ends the argument.
 
i could care less what others do to there guns i just hate rules that cannot be enforced....

a GM will kick my ass anyday and it doesn't matter, i'll just practice more!
 
but even USPSA has it production problems, only there it costs teh competitors money. Someone comes up with a gimmick for a production gun, and because some modifications are allowed, people spend money getting their gun smithed, and then a ruling comes down that the gimmick crossed the line and is declared illegal.
 
ipsc1 said:
but even USPSA has it production problems, only there it costs teh competitors money. Someone comes up with a gimmick for a production gun, and because some modifications are allowed, people spend money getting their gun smithed, and then a ruling comes down that the gimmick crossed the line and is declared illegal.
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You mean like letting an XD in, then kicking it out, then letting it in - or maybe letting in a stock custom, then kicking it out...or letting in CZ-USA parts, then kicking them out...
 
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there was a discussion on the IPSC forums in regard to problems trying to police production division and trigger pull. Something mentioned about just having a minimum trigger poundage, instead of going left and right at the same time trying to keep up to date with." what is legal for this pistol is not legal for that pistol, etc...."
 
almost all the manufacturer are offeriing "enchance" models specifically for production, SIG w/ their P226 SPORT comes adjust.f/o sight, match bbl, tuned action and hand lapted, H&K also with their SPORT model, etc etc etc. The only provisions in this div. that are more practical to police I guess is the bbl lenght, first shot double action ,and 5lbs trigger pull.
 
"Practical to police" and was never a concern for Production division. It's original goals (pre- 1999 WS) were to open IPSC shooting to other types of handguns besides the unbeatable custom 1911s and (in my mind anyway) offer a reasonably priced division for people to compete in, keeping upgrades at a minimum. Part one succceeded, part two got bastardized.
 
very intresting
well ive dont nothing to my glock and wish i could
but idont have 20hrs to read all the crap about what i can and can not do to it.
everytiem i ask soe mone i get ,well if no one knows u did x then your ok.
be nice to get a short answer on what i can do to the
trigger
sites
grip
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badboybeeson said:
very intresting
well ive dont nothing to my glock and wish i could
but idont have 20hrs to read all the crap about what i can and can not do to it.
everytiem i ask soe mone i get ,well if no one knows u did x then your ok.
be nice to get a short answer on what i can do to the
trigger
sites
grip
bbb
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trigger= only what manufacturer would offer (ie:glock has different disconnectors), or some manufacturers have different OEM hammers and triggers offered from the manufacturer.

Sights= same as type as OEM, and what OEM offers as an option. (ie: fibre optic is offered on certain models"CZ", yet it is not offered as an option from "HK", hence fibre optic is not a production option for HK.)

Grip= usually only skate board type tape is allowed. Hogue grips are allowed in USPSA, but not IPSC (although I think Beretta offers a model with some type of Hogue rubber grip?)
 
This is what i did to my Glock trigger..

Change the disconnector to 3.5lbs, polish the #### out of the trigger bar and disconnector. Then added slide glide. With 5000 rds in the gun i get a very crisp and smooth 5.5lb trigger.
 
btw, i was playing with Angus's CZ. One of the first 3 made.

The trigger is amazing...I have never felt a DA trigger as nice as his.

The DA is around 5 lbs and the SA is 1lbs or so. During Dry fire i could do a DA pull without the sights moving! WOW....If you have a chance get him to do a trigger job for you.
 
these upgrades are use to be options and add-ons,and comes with a good price, at least now, because of competitions these features becomes standards, I guess the firearms CONSUMER market benefited from this , thanks IPSC
 
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