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I’m not sure what it is that I don’t understand, but whenever I buy cleaning patches they don’t fit. I’d think if I bought .30 cal patches they’d fit a .30 cal, but they’re always way too tight. It’s not just .30, it’s all of the rifles I own. I use push through jags.
My question for you guys, is there a formula that I don’t know that tells me what size I actually need, or are the patches sized for a different style of jag, slotted perhaps?
I know that I could cut my own, but I don’t really want to......
 
If you're using a cleaning rod, patch size is relative to the OD of the rod/rod attachment
Not sure if you're using a snake.
I buy Hoppe's 9- 38-45 bulk 500 from our LGS.
Cut in half (triangle) for my .22/6.5 etc

That's close to a 1000 patches. YMMV
 
I suggest you buy a kit of jags. Then you can simply use a jag one size smaller if the patches are too tight.
 
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I cut up old t-shirts, then you can cut them to whatever size you need to fit, one t-shirt last me a very long time
 
I have the Tipton brass jag kit. I prefer to use Butch's "Triple Twill" patches. None fit. So I am usually using, for example, a 7mm jag in a 30 caliber rifle with patches described as 1 3/4" for 7mm to 35 cal. Or a .243 jag in a 6.5mm rifle with 1 1/2" patches described for 6mm/243 Bench Rest. Down at the very bottom size for me, the .224" rifles, I chucked up that jag in my lathe and reduced its diameter so I can use the 1 1/8" square size for 22-270 cal. So four sizes of patches, and 11 jags seem to take care of .22 through to .458. I do not have a cleaning rod small enough for the .17 jag, but do not have rifles in that bore size either, so it just sits in the box - has a smaller thread size than the rest.

I often also use the nylon bore brushes - wrap a big patch around the long way, soak in "juice" and do full length strokes within the barrel - had read to NOT reverse direction with a brush within the bore - so all the way through one way, then all the way back out. Seems to provide a bit more surface, and bit more "scrubbing" than just a patch on a jag. Watch about the rotation - if your patch, brush or swap is fitting well, the rifling may be unscrewing it from the cleaning rod, and do not really want it to come undone partially down the bore.

Really nasty bores will get a scrubbing with the "Tipton Best Bore Brush" - package says they are brass wire. I goop a lot of RB17 Gun Cleaner on the brass brush - it is like a gel, so seems to get most into the bore. I have found that the "brush" gets "worn out" in less than 100 full length strokes - significantly less resistance than when new, within that bore, so I buy them in packages of three from Amazon.ca. I am usually much too lazy for this, and prefer to use WipeOut and leave the thing soak overnight - often repeatedly, but I have room in my shop to be able to let a rifle sit in a cradle as long as it needs to - others may not have that space available.
 
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Jags are a bit of a balancing act. I’ve reduced the size of a few of them by putting them in a drill and touching them to a spinning belt grinder. Around here bulk patches are where you find them. Jags are cheaper than patches so......

A trick that works quite well with needle point jags is to puncture a slightly too tight patch toward one corner instead of through the middle. Makes more difference than you’d think posible.
 
Was just about to suggest spearing the patch off center towards one of the corners with a needle point jag but I see Dogleg has already suggested it. I find it works very well, I have had patches go from near impossible to push through to being happily snug consistently doing this. This is my default now and if it goes through with too little resistance I just poke the next ones a little closer to center.
 
Thanks gentlemen. It seems that we all have the same issues. I’m also a big fan of the butch’s patches and have a Tipton jag set (but mine aren’t brass). I generally buy brass jags and nylon brushes for all the rifles I use. But it’s nice to have the Tipton set for when stuff shows up or buddies bring their stuff over.
I’ve also speared the patches off towards the corner and it works well. And I’ve tried the big patches and cut them down. I just got pissed off yesterday and has hoping that one of you guys had a magic answer. I guess I’ll just have to get more organized and relabel my patches as I figure out what they fit.
Thanks again
 
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