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I own an NR (18.7" barrel) B&T GHM9-G, and am currently running a Vortex Sparc II with a Burris AR-Tripler behind it.

I'm looking to replace the existing optics with a rifle scope, very largely due to the blooming of the red dot thanks to some astigmatism. I'm primarily (75+ % of the time) going to be using the firearm at my indoor, 50Y range.

Finding the 3x magnification lacking at 50Y and just adequate at 25Y, I'm thinking that something in the 6-24x50 realm will be a one-stop shop for me and I'll be able to use it both at my range, and stretch out to 150-200Y when visiting my friend at his 100 acre farm and we put some holes in soup cans.

So, Hive Mind, based on the uses described above, is a 6-24 scope a good range for what I'm looking to mount on my pcc?
 
I don't have astigmatism, but try swapping the Sparc II for the spitfire AR prism scope since you already have the magnifier already. I believe prism/ lvpo are better suited for people who suffer from astigmatism.
 
I had considered a prism for that exact reason, however it won't address the magnification issue.

A little back story, this was a target draw package from Northern Elite Firearms (site sponsor) which included the firearm itself, the Sparc II, the Burris tripler and a Streamlight TLR RM2 laser/light. For the $25 it cost me to buy a target for entry, I have exactly zero complaints about the win...just looking to dial it in for what I'm using the rifle for.

If it was a short-barrelled, restricted iteration, for going out to maybe 15 yards where close enough is close enough, the existing configuration would probably be fine. Going out to 50+, 3x isn't long enough.

drago403 said:
I don't have astigmatism, but try swapping the Sparc II for the spitfire AR prism scope since you already have the magnifier already. I believe prism/ lvpo are better suited for people who suffer from astigmatism.
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I use this scope on my TNW ASR 9mm:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/264945484057

2-10x FFP, a bit on the heavy side, but with the 30mm tube it's very bright, and it's proven very reliable so far to 100 yards anyway. Beyond that I couldn't see holes on target most likely... but I've yet to try it further out, as much as I'd like to. I have a 5-25x Vortex Viper for my Sig Cross, but think that kind of magnification might be overkill for a 9mm, considering there's something like 4 feet of drop at 200 yards. The 2-10x feels about right to me on the 9mm carbine. I had a 2-7x Leupold on there for a while but it wasn't quite enough. I could see going to 16x maybe, but then I'd lose the bottom end, and I like being able to open it up to 2x for closer range shooting.
 
That's helpful, thanks; now I'll spend the next couple of hours researching 2-10, maybe 2-16 range scopes.

Also, yes - 9mm=Fat & Slow=Relatable

GerardSamija said:
I use this scope on my TNW ASR 9mm:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/264945484057

2-10x FFP, a bit on the heavy side, but with the 30mm tube it's very bright, and it's proven very reliable so far to 100 yards anyway. Beyond that I couldn't see holes on target most likely... but I've yet to try it further out, as much as I'd like to. I have a 5-25x Vortex Viper for my Sig Cross, but think that kind of magnification might be overkill for a 9mm, considering there's something like 4 feet of drop at 200 yards. The 2-10x feels about right to me on the 9mm carbine. I had a 2-7x Leupold on there for a while but it wasn't quite enough. I could see going to 16x maybe, but then I'd lose the bottom end, and I like being able to open it up to 2x for closer range shooting.
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PixInTheSix said:
That's helpful, thanks; now I'll spend the next couple of hours researching 2-10, maybe 2-16 range scopes.

Also, yes - 9mm=Fat & Slow=Relatable
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I think of my 9mm carbine as a heavier-hitting .22lr, as they share almost the same trajectory in subsonic cartridges. 9mm is maybe 4x more power but aiming is very similar between close up and 150 yards. Chairgun and Strelok help of course, as they're not identical.

For a bit more context; I'm a bit biased towards higher magnification simply because I like to see the holes appearing in the paper. Not everyone worries about that, hence a lot of folks, especially in PPC circles, saying 4x is plenty. I figure that since I spend most of my ammunition poking holes in paper, I may as well enjoy seeing the holes appearing. And it makes corrections and watching groups build a lot easier when I have 10x available. If there were an FFP 2-15x I might have gone with that.
 
tbh, this makes perfect sense to me. I was at my range on Thursday afternoon and (this is a poster child comment for first world problems) for every magazine I emptied, I needed to recall the target to see how my group looked. If I had more than 3x magnification, I could see those holes appearing as well.

I also see what I perceive as the bulk of PPC users opt for the much shorter 4-6" barrel versions where a red dot is totally appropriate; target acquisition through a red dot is way easier when that target is only 15 feet away vs 150 feet

GerardSamija said:
For a bit more context; I'm a bit biased towards higher magnification simply because I like to see the holes appearing in the paper. Not everyone worries about that, hence a lot of folks, especially in PPC circles, saying 4x is plenty. I figure that since I spend most of my ammunition poking holes in paper, I may as well enjoy seeing the holes appearing. And it makes corrections and watching groups build a lot easier when I have 10x available. If there were an FFP 2-15x I might have gone with that.
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PixInTheSix said:
tbh, this makes perfect sense to me. I was at my range on Thursday afternoon and (this is a poster child comment for first world problems) for every magazine I emptied, I needed to recall the target to see how my group looked. If I had more than 3x magnification, I could see those holes appearing as well.

I also see what I perceive as the bulk of PPC users opt for the much shorter 4-6" barrel versions where a red dot is totally appropriate; target acquisition through a red dot is way easier when that target is only 15 feet away vs 150 feet
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Well it's down to priorities, based on the kind of shooting one does. If I did 'run & gun' type events no doubt I'd be using a 1x sight of some sort, probably prismatic as my slight astigmatism makes dot sights flare out a little - not as much so as 5 years ago, but by switching from decades as a vegetarian to a mostly-meat diet, which has mostly fixed my eyesight. Scopes work for these 60-year-old eyes so I'll stick to them, and I mostly do slow fire shooting so 1x isn't a priority. Of course if SHTF... well, 2x will do for closer range, or just point shooting is fine for really close in.
 
A 6-24 is great for shooting at 800-100yds. At 50yds you'll be watching it bounce from your heartbeat. For the type of shooting you describe, a 1-6 or 1-8 would do the job.
 
I currently have a 1x red dot with a 3x magnifier behind it mounted and it's not quite enough reach my for my 55y/o eyes. I'm looking at the 6-24x because I'll be able to get what I need out of the 6x end when I'm at my range and wind it up to mid-magnification or more when I'm at my friend's farm where we typically go out to 150-200yds.

pmt said:
A 6-24 is great for shooting at 800-100yds. At 50yds you'll be watching it bounce from your heartbeat. For the type of shooting you describe, a 1-6 or 1-8 would do the job.
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I have a Vortex Viper PST II 1-6x24 SFP (VT-PST-1605) on my NR GHM9, and I think it's perfect. At 1x with the dot illuminated it's basically a red dot--and 6x power is the most I need for it's intended use (3Gun).
 
PixInTheSix said:
I currently have a 1x red dot with a 3x magnifier behind it mounted and it's not quite enough reach my for my 55y/o eyes. I'm looking at the 6-24x because I'll be able to get what I need out of the 6x end when I'm at my range and wind it up to mid-magnification or more when I'm at my friend's farm where we typically go out to 150-200yds.
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I read your original post - what I'm saying is that 24x is way overkill at 150-200yds. A good 6-24 is big $$ unless you don't mind a dark blurry field of view. A 6x or 8x is perfect at those distances, or maybe something like a 3-9 or 4-12, 4-16. If you actually need to see the holes in paper at 200yds then set up a spotting scope.
 
I settled on a 1-4x24 LPVO with illuminated 300 Blackout drop reticle, which closely approximates 9 mm ballistics.
Zero at 50 yards, one dot down at 90, and 2 dots down at 120. Good for me.
 
Go for a 1-8x. I have one on my AR and it's perfect. Works great as a red dot with a true 1x, then you have the option to zoom in when needed
 
If you have your heart set on a 6-24 then you can't go wrong with the Vortex Diamondback Tactical. I too like more magnification. I like to be able to see where my shot hit and adjust accordingly rather than have to check through a spotting scope.
 
I'd just mount a 1-4X

Turn down the brightness on your RDS, I have an astigmatism and I don't have issues shooting out to 100Y with the RDS I own.
 
To the OP if you arfe shooting 75% of the time at your 50 yard range and bearing in mind the 9MM bullet has the aero dynamics of a fridge I would think a 1x 6 scope would be more than adequate. I am not sure how much gain you expect to get though if most of your shooting is under 50 yards. The 1- 6X is pretty versatile. For action shooting I have taken off my 1-6X and just run a RDS. It is perfect for shots out to the max range I might encounter ie 35 yards and still works out to 50 yards hitting an 8" circle.

I occasionally bang away at 100 yards and that is where a 1x-6X scope really is handy. I use a spotting scope to save the100 yard walk.


I tried the RDS on an offset mount with a scope mounted and it didn't work for me. Others have gone this route and manage quite well.

Let us know which direction you go.

Take Calre

Bob
 
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Holosun 503g ACSS and Sig Juliet 5x not the 3x. There is no shadow from the 503g visible at all. The 503g ACSS chevron works well for my astigmatism and no glasses. This is not my rifle. I have shot a few hundred rounds through it. Benched it shoots ~3 MOA at 100 yards with Federal syntech 124gr. I tried a 1-8x24 Strike Eagle and 4-16 Diamondback on it at 100 yards but the scopes didn't make the groups any smaller. 1-8 Strike eagle is also a great option and a very similar setup. I don't consider 5x to 8x to be significant difference but the Strike Eagle is less money than the Holosun/Sig combo. At 50 yards and in the Holosun is the winner. Like always your budget and use case will differ.
 

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