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i didnt know if i should put this here or in the airgun forum. i was thinking of getting a .22cal air pistol around 450pfs. carry it with me when big game hunting to shoot grouse. my question is do you think a body shot on a grouse inside 10yrds will give me a kill shot? i say body shot because a head shot with a pistol is not likley. this or just bring a sling shot with steel BBs. what do you think?

thanks
 
I hate to bring this up, but it is unlawful to hunt with a handgun in B.C.

You could argue that under the federal Criminal Code, a pellet gun is a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act only if it is designed or adapted to discharge a pellet at a muzzle velocity of more than 152.4 metres per second (about 500 feet per second), but a B.C. conservation officer would tell you that the law states that no person shall hunt wildlife with a handgun.
 
My experience was in Morontario.

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/239841.pdf

Firearms include rif les, shotguns, air or pellet guns, bows and
crossbows. You may use semi-automatic or repeating firearms for
hunting in Ontario, but not handguns that are restricted or prohibited firearms or fully automatic firearms. Air and pellet pistols with a muzzle velocity less than 152 metres (500 feet) per second may be used for hunting in Ontario (see restrictions on page 22).
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It's legal here in AB, and I sometimes carry a crosman 2240 (.22, 460fps) while carrying a rifle, headshots under 20 yds drops them just fine.
 
As mentioned - even though it is an extremely stupid regulation- no handguns, including air-pistols - may be used for hunting in BC.
 
thanks for the info guys. looks like i will be taking a slingshot with me. unless their is a crazy rule about that too.
 
regulate34 said:
thanks for the info guys. looks like i will be taking a slingshot with me. unless their is a crazy rule about that too.
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Good Choice! If you practice with your sligshot you will find it can kill a grouse, or at least stun it long enough to get over there and collect it by hand. I have done it a couple of times when I lived and worked in the bush in northern Manitoba. I always carried my folding wrist rocket and a little bag of 32 cal steel ball bearings. It makes a big THWACK when you hit one in the body.
 
'Boo said:
As mentioned - even though it is an extremely stupid regulation- no handguns, including air-pistols - may be used for hunting in BC.
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This is true (moronic isn't it?). We can hunt grouse with a .22 rimfire rifle but not with a .22 rimfire revolver or even with a non-firearm air pistol. Why? Because the government does not trust you with a revolver (pistol) even in the bush. Humm, I feel another letter coming on.
 
StoneHorse said:
This is true (moronic isn't it?). We can hunt grouse with a .22 rimfire rifle but not with a .22 rimfire revolver or even with a non-firearm air pistol. Why? Because the government does not trust you with a revolver (pistol) even in the bush. Humm, I feel another letter coming on.
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I once asked a senior CO about the reasoning behind the no air-pistol rule. He said the province wanted to squash ALL thoughts about hunters packing sidearms. By preventing a legal reason for an individual to carry a handgun the CFO has no reason to issue an ATT. :rolleyes:

It truly is a "Catch 22" situation insomuch as lack of "need" prevents an individual from fulfilling a "want".
 
'Boo said:
I once asked a senior CO about the reasoning behind the no air-pistol rule. He said the province wanted to squash ALL thoughts about hunters packing sidearms. By preventing a legal reason for an individual to carry a handgun the CFO has no reason to issue an ATT. :rolleyes:

It truly is a "Catch 22" situation insomuch as lack of "need" prevents an individual from fulfilling a "want".
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Like I said ["We (government) will not trust you with a handgun in the bush".]
There is no other reason I can think of why the government would prevent us from hunting with a handgun. Especially small game with a .22 rimfire.
 
StoneHorse said:
Like I said ["We (government) will not trust you with a handgun in the bush".]
There is no other reason I can think of why the government would prevent us from hunting with a handgun. Especially small game with a .22 rimfire.
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No, I don't think it is a matter of trust but rather a case of "little-####" syndrome where some government employee finds a way to control someone - or some group - and just does so just to inflate their own egos.

This particular rule serves no practical purpose - and doesn't provide any measure of taxpayer safety - but be aware that somewhere safe, behind a row of file-cabinets and desks probably, some mid-level bureaucrat is busy masturbating thinking about the power he or she exerts over others.
 
StoneHorse said:
This is true (moronic isn't it?). We can hunt grouse with a .22 rimfire rifle but not with a .22 rimfire revolver or even with a non-firearm air pistol. Why? Because the government does not trust you with a revolver (pistol) even in the bush. Humm, I feel another letter coming on.
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Don't forget, BC had been under NDP rule for a long time, hence the restrictive hunting regulations. And by the looks of it, will soon be under their rule again soon enough... :(
 
bill338 said:
If its under 500 fps it is not a firearm so it would be legal
it's not a gun
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If you are in BC, look at page 3 in the 2012-2014 Hunting/Trapping Synopsis. Read the definitions for "Firearm" and "Handgun". There is nothing there saying "Under 500 FPS". Call your regional CO and ask him.
 
"If its under 500 fps it is not a firearm so it would be legal
it's not a gun "

Explain that to a B.C. Conservation officer.

Then the judge.
 
As it has been explained to me by a RCMP civilian CSI who specializes in tool markings, eg. matching rifling marks, non-PAL rated air guns are firearms. Only for the purpose of registration they are not considered firearms. If you commit any offense with it, eg. hunting illegally or pointing it at someone, you can be charged the same as if it was a PAL rated firearm.
 
I phoned a Sask CO about the question. We than checked the Queens Printer about the wild life act and Sask Hunting Regulations. You can hunt in Sask with a pistol, as long as its not restricted.

So your rossi mares legs, Kriss, JR Carbines, and air pistols are legal...

How ever there is a caliber restriction for big game, and NO caliber restriction for upland bird.

We were not able to find a fps restriction, or any type of air rifle restriction. It only said it could not be a "spear".

So, who wants to bow hunt ducks? Lol, we had a laugh about the spear, i asked if i could use my air nailer than. Lol, he was a good guy and even was nice enough to return my call after talking to other employees about it. They all said they've never heard if it, didnt recomend it, but couldnt see how it was illegal.

Now thats a Sask Fish cop i called, check the queens printer for your provinces Wild Life Act.
 
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