Picked up a couple of milsurps from local gun show. Need some info.

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D3vin

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Went to my local gun show today and picked up a couple of interesting guns.
1943 "A U" marked? lee enfield mark 4 no. 1
Somewhat matching minus the mags and bayo.

And this Swedish? 1948 semi 6.5x55. I know nothing about it. Looks like an svt/mauser's bastard child.
was only 180 bucks so I pounced on it.
Any info would be appreciated.

thanks for the help.

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What are the markings on the No.4?

The Semi in a Swedish AG-42B model. Don't know too much about them myself. Other then since they are in 6.5x55 tey tend to have low recoil and can be quite accurate, also, don't get your thumb stuck in the action, apparently its quite a common issue with people who are new to the rifle. $180? in that condition? You got one hell of a deal. Easily sell that for $400. Nice score.
 
Here are the obvious marking ive seen on it. Its clearly seen action during the war.
Got this one for 375.00.

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Be careful what ammo you feed the AG-42b. I strongly recommend you DO NOT feed it federal 6.5x55. If you take a look at this thread here you can see what happened when I went to use mine (at least it was mine at the time). Do your research on it and make sure the ammo is good for that particular rifle. 180$ is a very good price for a AG-42b, the magazine alone is worth about that much (though the rifle isn't worth that much more). As said above around 350-450$.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1140728-AG-42b-Out-of-battery-detonation
 
"U" is an Australian code. The "M" prior to the date may mean Maltby (England). You would have to remove the top hand guard to get the rest of the Enfield's story. It also appears that only the bottom fore wood is original to the rifle. If it were mine, I would buy a new suit for it (full wood set) if it were a good shooter. $350 with tent peg bayo and extra magazine is a good deal if the rest of the rifle is in good shape and matching.
 
Easily $400.00-$450.00 on the AG42. It would have been an AG42 converted to AG42B standards which consisted of knobs added to the action slide, a rubber bumper on the receiver, a ported barrel, stainless steel gas tube and I believe some trigger work.
 
Ammo can be an issue but usually when it is to hot the extractor plunger get ripped out or broken. The M42B rifles were issued with spare extractors/springs/plungers/firing pins for a reason.

Make very sure that the firing pin doesn't extend to far. If it does, There is a very good chance the rifle will fire out of battery. The return spring for the bolt is very strong and fast. Make very sure there is no grease residue or dirt inside that bolt before shooting it.

I have shot quite a bit of Federal 6.5x55 through my rifle without issue. I did shoot some Swede surplus made in 1943 with 160 grain round nose cupro nickel jackets through the first one I had with catastrophic results. The bolt was dirty/greasy inside and the firing pin was extended when the Kaboom happened. I know this because it was still jammed out when I inspected the rifle later, and the case which had detonated out of battery. The rifle was ruined. The stock was split and the mag with what was almost a full charge of cartridges was blown down against my thigh, leaving a bruise that extended from my knee to my cojones almost encircling the whole thigh. I thought it was broken at the time and limped for a week. There were also bits of brass casing embedded in my face and glasses. Amazingly, other than the stock and the magazine the rifle was OK. In those days, mags were available from International Firearms for around $10 and new stocks were about the same price. I put that rifle back together, using the replacement parts kit that came with it. The kit contains a firing pin extrusion gage. Good thing. It also contains 4 new extractors and plungers as well as new firing pin rods and springs.

For them to go through the effort to supply each new rifle with these kits is very telling. It means they had issues and knew it. Considering when the rifles were built it is likely they were just desperate to get a semi auto rifle fielded even though they knew there were issues.

As far as accuracy goes. They are capable of minus moa groups with good bores accompanied by good eyes in capable shooters.
 
The AG42B Swede semi, these are great rifles and more accurate than the garands. However there are some things to keep in mind as said keep the bolt in clean condition, do not allow the bolt to slam closed on a chambered round (the action is designed to pick up the round from the magazine and push it into the chamber this reduces some of the energy of the bolt as it chambers a round). The slam fires you hear about are on chambered rounds or rounds that are over size and jam when being chambered ( as in some handloads). Your rifle was manufactured in 1943.
I shoot these quite a bit, they are accurate.
Enjoy
 
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Military ammo commonly is loaded with the fastest powder they can get to work okay: less tonnage for purchase, transport.

AG42B can be a super-nice rifle but it really needs some sort of gas regulator. This can ba accomplished by putting a set-screw into the circuit, up at the gas block.

Rifles are long, heavy, very LOUD but there are not many semi-autos that you can use to print repeatable 1-MOA groups with.

Likely it is the most accurate semi-auto ever built.

This one looks real nice.
 
I have a couple ag42's , when you cycle the action with ammo in it , the firing pin marks the primers on both of them .
I can see how a round with a sensitive primer could be set off from the inertia of the firing moving around .

it is my understanding that federal makes the most sensitive primers , I don't use these when reloading for 6.5x55

I have used a lot of Remington 9 1/2mag primers without incident and when I can get them prefer to use cci #34 primers .


you may also run into "advice " that you should oil or grease the rounds for this rifle ...... that is very very bad advice ..... anyone giving that advice should be beaten in a regular basis .

it was a band aid cure for running 160 grain ammo designed for bolt action rifles , when the 140 grain ammo wasn't available . this was fixed when the Egyptians built the hakim rifle , they put a adjustable gas port on the rifle , and it is fairly easy to do to the ag42 .


also keep track of the magazine , they are very rare and expensive ..........

and keep your fingers out of the action , if you forget this , the rifle will remind you in a very painful way .
 
Cocked&Locked said:
LOL yes to the above...they make garand thumb seem like a kiss.....
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You've had experience with both ? :) Still remember the first time I heard about M1 thumb. Couple of Mormon missionaries at our door when I was a kid. Don't remember how we got on the subject, but they had apparently just completed their military service and were impressed. ;)

Grizz
 
So to crunch down all the info regarding the AG42.
It hates federal ammo. Can I feed it other commercial ammo? since i don't reload.
The bolt likes to lop off digits. Any way to cushion the blow of the bolt when decocking the gun?
or is it normal practice to let em slam?
Is it possible to clean the direct gas impingement system?
Areas to lube the gun? does it like grease or oil?

thanks for the info
 
D3vin said:
So to crunch down all the info regarding the AG42.
It hates federal ammo. Can I feed it other commercial ammo? since i don't reload.
The bolt likes to lop off digits. Any way to cushion the blow of the bolt when decocking the gun?
or is it normal practice to let em slam?
Is it possible to clean the direct gas impingement system?
Areas to lube the gun? does it like grease or oil?





thanks for the info
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There is a handy little spare parts kit, that was issued with it. Did you score it as well?

Grizz
 
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