Pistol caliber carbines

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I am looking to get my first carbine which will be a range gun and am looking at the KEL TEC S2K, Berreta CX4 storm and bushmaster carbon 15. Just wondering if there are some other manufacturers that I should check out as well. I wanted to stay with a 9mm as everything else I have is 9mm and I will just be punching paper and shadow targets with it so I am not in need of high velocity long distance tools. Any comments and recommendations will be greatly appreciated.
 
I had a Keltec S2k but got rid of it, just wasn't for me. Nice rig though. I did comparisons between the JR carbine and it and the S2K in my opinion beat it hands down. (comparison was done with Blazer 115gr) I've seen some pretty sweet S2K rigs out there to, when guys make the investment and start bolting on the red lion gear they turn out quite well. The big ditractor for me with the S2K was the plastic sites, didn't impress me but they can be changed pretty easily with aftermarket stuff.
 
Sub 2 K is a neat gun but if you don't need it to be quite as lite or stow able then the Thureon Defense carbines are nice.
 
Non restricted would be nice but as 90% of my shooting is at an indoor pistol range restricted works fine as well, it is my understanding that the S2K is non restricted and accepts glock mags which is an added bonus. I did look at the JRC's but their reliability doesn't seem to be great. Will look into the thureon...
 
It's non restricted with a *slightly* longer barrel then the normal production version, probably the only one you'll see imported up here though.
The Thureon defense guns look really neat, i've been drooling over them for a while. One in 9mm would just hit the spot in so many ways...

What really made me want one was watching the video Hickok45 did on it and seeing just how far out he was able to stretch it's legs. Takes it out to 230 yards.
Watch the video for sure if you're even considering one.



All that said, my favorite restricted/non restricted pistol carbine is still the KRISS Vector by quite a wild margin. Mind you, it is about double :)eek:) the price of everything else discussed as far but I just love the ergonomics of it too damn much to consider anything else.

Also i've heard of the a lot of problems with the firing pin on the thureon carbines breaking quite a bit, although the fit and finish in general on them seems to be of a very high standard.
 
the sub 2000 sights can be changed, if you can get the parts and that's currently a big if right now. I have one, I consider it an ok gun, but the folding option was the main selling point, it packs into a small place and in a carry bag does not look like you are bringing a gun, useful for taking to the cabin where I can keep it handy with a hope of never needing it. If the folding option is not important and fair amount of plinking is the intent I would suggest the JR carbine, non-restricted, takes AR parts and is made of better materials than the Sub 2000.
Frankly I love my Storm in .40cal and shoot it to 220m, but costs are around $1400 to get it to Non-restricted.

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That thureon looks pretty sweet may need to look for one out west, judging by the pic of the S2K it looks like if you added quad rails and a site it will no longer fold which would defeat the purpose? How is the reliability on the JR carbine, the reviews didn't sound like the best reliability but I believe they where the original models? The Kriss Vector looks cool except for the price and with something like the XCR-M coming soon to my place I want to keep this one around 1K
 
Beretta CX4 is my recommendation, I have had a good variety of the 9mm carbines and its the best one imho. Most reliable, accurate and nice and compact. Plus they were cheap a while back. Bought two from epps for 825 each then rebarreled both to non res. Great little gopher guns now with 124gr jhp.
 
Heli said:
....How is the reliability on the JR carbine, the reviews didn't sound like the best reliability but I believe they where the original models?....
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I can only speak to the 40 cal but it appears that they have ironed out the reliability issues with the 9 and 40 for some time now. The 45 apparently has had it's issues straightened out recently but since you are thinking 9mm anyways, it is moot. There are more than a few solid choices for a pcc in Canada and whichever one you choose you are bound to have lots of fun shooting it.
 
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I can only speak to the 40 cal but it appears that they have ironed out the reliability issues with the 9 and 40 for some time now. The 45 apparently has had it's issues straightened out recently but since you are thinking 9mm anyways, it is moot. There are more than a few solid choices for a pcc in Canada and whichever one you choose you are bound to have lots of fun shooting it.
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My 9mm JRC has operated flawlessly as long as I use jacketed or plated .355 bullets. When I go to .356 lead round nose bullets I get periodic jams. It seems that the extra 1 thou diameter coupled with the softer cast bullet is enough to gum up the works.

Other than that I don't remember a single malfunction.
 
CX4 Storm. Got one, love it. Has NEVER failed to impress both experienced and no experience shooters. From boys to girls when they finish shooting this baby, they have a smile on their face.

Don't buy extra mags or your problem is shooting all your ammo in seconds if you get a little trigger happy.

My one biggest mistake for the gun. =P
 
+1 For a 9mm JR carbine. No need to re barrel to non-restricted, accepts AR accessories, very solid gun. I just picked one up slightly used and it is very accurate and reliable with everything I've put through it so far.
 
I own a 9mm JR Carbine and have ran over 800 rds through it of 115 grain w/o a single malfunction, however when I first started testing different ammunition I found that 147grain (Winchester) with a slightly more abrupt edge on the casing shoulder caused a feeding issue so now I avoid that particular brand/type/weight (Could be a similar situation to what Ted Dent mentioned?),,,

I really do not think you will be disappointed in a 9mm JR Carbine but unfortunately I cannot speak of any other similar firearms from personal experience (it may not be applicable to your situation but 9mm JR Carbines cannot use +P ammo, at least w/o modification but I cannot speak accurately on the topic regarding modifications to accept hotter then standard 9mm rounds in a JR Carbine) I'm sure others more knowledgeable on this subject then I could chime in,,,

I have begun modifying mine and I like it more and more after every upgrade, I would take that into consideration if you like tricking out your firearms as the JR Carbine being that it uses AR parts offers unlimited modifying opportunities at relatively reasonable costs,,,

The good thing is you probably can't go wrong with any of these types of rifles that have been mentioned and if you want to trade/sell for a different model later on it shouldn't take long to make a deal/sale, however staying with a non~restricted model probably would be best for a quicker resale and then you could go plinking other then at the range too,,,


Good luck getting your 9mm Zeroed In
 
If you want something for punching paper and indoors why not get a semi-auto .22LR? Inexpensive ammo means you can shoot more and you aren't limited to 10 round mags.
 
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